252 Sound Signature

Thanks guys, another job :roll_eyes:, but it will be good to get it right for the final setup. Iā€™ll probably keep the Olive SC at the bottom though, otherwise it might look a little odd.

So, if the 252 is above the NDX2, does the full Fraim shelf go with it?

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My dealer set up my stack as follows:

NDX2
252
300
SC
555PS
300PS

On my system I use Roon and a Sonorebridge for the NDS, I also have a -5DB cut in the DSP which really helps at lower volumes.

Stacking is:
Left Side

LP12 on Wall shelf

Superline
252
space
300DR
CDX2
Lingo
NDac

Right side

NDS on wall shelf

Nakamichi CR7A
Supercap for Superline
Third party PS for 252 (will be replacing with another Supercap
300PS
Third park PS for NDS
Unitiserve SSD / Hicap (for headline)
XPS DR for NDac

So far OK apart from transformer hum, which is really not that bad and also I need to lift the XPS DR to NDac burndy off the ground as both units are at the bottom. Will work this out on next cable tidy and clean session.

Tim

Mike itā€™s not about the aesthetics itā€™s about the sound. :smirk:

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Hereā€™s my stacking order. Works well for me. No hum, no buzz, no interference.

Left stack from bottom up

NDX, 252, Cyrus Phono Signature and PSXR2, LP12

Right stack from bottom up

300 power, SCDR, 300 head unit, Radikal

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Xerxes
CDX2
252
Caspian Tuner
XPS DR
SC DR
250 DR

Driven by cable dressing more than anything else. When I purchased a Fraim a couple of years back my dealer was happy to retain the stacking order. Sounds really good to me - and I cannot be bothered to haul 15kg boxes in and out and faff around with burndies, etc. to find out whether it could be better.

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Set up expertly by @Cymbiosis

Left Stack:

Xerxes
282
Superline
Nat 05
250 DR

Right Stack:

CDS3
Vertere PSU/Headline
HC
SC
555 PSU

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Interesting, this stackingā€¦
I have a single Fraim (much as Iā€™d like a brain/brawn itā€™s not going to happen, my wifeā€™s orders understandably - hifi and records already dominate the living room).

My levels are:
(LP12 on wall shelf)
252
Superline & HPA
CD2
250
SCDR
SC2

I thought I read somewhere here that the SuperCaps would be better on the bottom levels due to transformer size. The 250 is the bigger transformer, then? Hmmā€¦may have a reshuffle, see if thereā€™s any benefit.

Let me know. Iā€™m pretty sure I read somewhere that the Fraim shelf height is designed to provide the correct amount of electrical isolation. I know that many swear by the brain/brawn thing - and if I had a box count that demanded that then it seems the logical way to go - but a few years back I had an electrician or network guy in (cannot remember which or why) and he had a device that measured the electrical ā€˜noiseā€™ produced by a device. Out of curiosity I asked him to run it over the PSā€™s and the 250 and all three registered zero - and one was in humming mode at the time.

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Dear Max
I do many thank for your long answer and I on the contrary I don t consider it a sermon at all but precious experience sharing.
My story is a little bit complicated I m a classic rock lover, felt in love for Tom waits and an ignorant jazz listener
Because of my job I move in al Cairo for next years, waiting to my sn3, naim dac with teddy xps and atc 19 speakers.
I do not plan any change in my source and in my speaker as well, as you told me before I consider amplifier the focal point of my hi Fi. Moving from sn to pre/amp combo is a huge investment and I m thinking what could me my target and how achieve it. The fastest way could be move to 282 or 252 with a teddy psu and 250amp. I donā€™t plan to move to 300 because of the economic gap to cover. Next move could be the super cap dr. In this context I have 1 doubt, would be the 250 the limiting factor for 252 or it could remain a satisfying option?
Thanks a lot

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250 is mighty fine with my 252/SCDR.

But I havenā€™t heard the 300 - yet! :wink:

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Thanks Steviebee

You may want to limit the references to certain cuddly toy PSes as discussion is against forum rules

Stacking order here:

CD555
252
300
300PS
SCDR
555PS

Same here wonderful combination maybe in time a 300dr but they are very expensive. For the foreseeable future very happy with 252 supercap dr 250 dr cds3 xps two fraims :wink:

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Sorry but the ps is mentioned only in the upgrade path, no any intention or request to discuss about it

Personally, I donā€™t understand why respecting the wishes of the host of the forum is difficult, even if one feels it is a gray area. But I am not the forum police, itā€™s up to you. Just saying that in the past Richard removed posts that mentioned them or even warned against using such PSes

Dear Suedkiez
I mentioned what I own and the upgrade plan without discussing, advertising or feeding any opinion on these component anyhow feel free to keep debating on it, I wonā€™t come back to furtherly
All the best

Like I said, I am not the police, it was just a friendly reminder. I stated my personal opinion on courtesy, you do what you want

My order:
NDS
252
300
555DR
300DR
SC DR

It sounds quite well.