Hello Naimophiles, my first post, but I have occasionally lurked here since the 00’s, a long time. I finally have a Naim component.
I picked up a 272 and XPS DR for 3000 pounds equivalent in Oz. Both 2020 production, so newish and immaculate condition. The XPS DR has not arrived yet but will next week. I don’t use Naim amps.
A question about the 272. The network input does occasionally crash when trying to move from one song/queue to the other too fast. Limited memory I know. When this occurs I just turn off/on. But when I get the XPS DR does this mean I have to pull the plug on the socket?
My real question - if it crashes is there a way to reset the 272 network without cold power cycling it?
A question about the Burndy… if I ever get a 555dr PS for the 272, does one use the SXPS cable from the XPS DR, or is another cable required?
Hi, once you get an XPS it’s not a good idea to turn it off and on.
Better to get to the bottom of the problem if possible as this shouldn’t be necessary.
Are you using WiFi. This is a weak point of the older Naim streamers, and best avoided. Use Ethernet if possible. What music source are you using when you have these problems?
I agree with Chris and the 272 is very stable and you shouldn’t to be restarting it too often. But on the occasions I need to restart my 272, I just turn the XPS DR off and on again using the front panel button on the XPS.
The Burndy from the XPS will fit a 555PS DR but anyone buying the unwanted XPS will expect the Burndy to be with it and as they are about £500 to buy new, would expect to pay a much lower price for the XPS without it.
Ethernet only. The source is UPNP pulling content from a local NAS. It only occurs when starting then switching songs and queues too quickly, like within a second or two.
I have also found the 272 responds very well to isolation footers such as Stillpoints. I know you guys are into that cup and ball stuff, but the 272 improved to a greater extent using Stillpoints than any other component I have tried.
But Stillpoints work best placed on wood, not so much glass, so they are not really compatible with the standard Naim shelf setups.
A question about the Naim app when playing UPNP…
I find when I play a song from a folder, it only plays that song and does not add the rest of the file list to the queue. ‘1 track added’
Maybe I have changed a setting or perhaps it was always like this. Other control apps such as JPlay will add the rest of the tracks from that folder.
I had a 272 powered by a 555dr from 2016 until recently when I upgraded to a Linn Klimax.
My 272 had a secure Ethernet cable from the modem 4 rooms away.
Over the last few years the 272, despite latest software upgrades, would become unresponsive to my app. It would just become overwhelmed. The 272 would vanish from the app as well.
Part of the issue was that our house is large and requires a wireless booster for the naim app in the 272 room that was 4 rooms from the modem. We had a muso in the modem room. When I used the naim app for the muso and then later used the app in the 272 room on its different wireless network, there were malfunctions galore with the 272, so network issues with wireless were a large factor.
The cure was to turn off the 555 power supply with the front button for a few seconds then turn it back on. That rebooted things and within a minute or two things were back to normal.
Even without network issues the 272 is a bit flaky due to its 1st generation streaming software.
That is a pity as the dac and preamp are very good, especially when powered by the 555, where performance approaches high end.
A work around is to eventually add a separate streamer which can utilise the superb 272 dac and give you a modern streaming experience via a different app to choose the music without the buffering issues and lack of Qobuz. Best of luck.
That behaviour may depend on whatever server software you are using on your NAS. MinimServer and Asset, for example, are designed to organise music files using tags rather than folders, by default. Do you use either of these?
I’ve had a 272 for quite some time now and the issue you describe is not one I’ve had or heard about before. Sure, the 272 can be a little problematic with streaming services at times but not with a local NAS/server arrangement.
My initial take is that the issue is probably with your network, NAS or server software. There are a lot of links and configurations (transcoding etc) in that chain unfortuneately probably only resolved through trial and error.
Congrats on your purchase agisthos!
In my experience, the 272 works great with a usb stick (I used the 512GB ultra fit Sandisk) formatted in either FAT32 or NFTS and filled up to a maximum 90% of its capacity.
Although I’ve tried MinimServer and uPnP on my Synology NAS, I could never tell the difference in SQ when compared to playing from a USB stick.
Streaming wise, I found that adding a switch between the router and the 272, improves stability by a lot. Ultimately, you can add an iFi audio ZEN Streamer and forget about network issues.
Maybe I overegged this issue here. Stability is fine. Its only when quickly switching track to track, i.e sending commands too fast via the control app, that it doesn’t like it and goes to ‘waiting’. Other people on this forum have reported this exact issue. Nothing wrong with the 272.
I have a Lindemann Limetree Bridge II streamer, with a Farad LPS power supply. It sounds a tiny bit better than the 272 internal streamer, but not by much, not enough to have another 2 boxes cluttering the rack. This is with local NAS streaming, of course Tidal/Qobuz would probably sound much better than on the 272 but I do not use that stuff.
That is true in my case as well, and I identified the issue in the 4.8 firmware, I think I posted this before on the forum. It’s not a network issue.
I went back and forth between 4.7 and 4.8, this happens only on 4.8, that’s why I stuck to 4.7. So if you don’t intend to use Tidal, 4.7 is the way to go.
