I had oversimplified so Ihave amended my last post to clarify that it is carriage to Britain not entry through British customs that requires the ETA. However my understanding is that the carrier to the UK must refuse boarding to anyone other than British passport holders without an ETA and if you hold dusl nationality you cannot get an ETA under your foreign passport. I would presume that includes Eurostar as s carrier, and if it was me I certainly wouldn’t risk trying that route without certainty.
What happens if you enter by private transport such as a sailing boat arriving in a British port I don’t know.
Yes, indeed usually necessary to use same passport for entry and exit - but you can use a different passport for entry to next country as each country’s exit control is separate from the next’s entry control. But that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.
I fully agree, but always remember you are changing passports in between borders, in between countries.
It is an important technicality and you can visualize the implications if you consider that the passport should be stamped at every point of entry/exit.
If you keep to the rule, the subject of the thread cannot survive.
We are in agreement that for any country best or even necessary to use the same passport to exit as you use to enter, but you can, and in certain circumstances should, use a different passport for different countries. But hitherto with Britain someone could have dual nationality, say French and English, but normally be living in France and let their British passport lapse, yet have been able to travel to and enter Britain using their French passport. Or someone French, but with dual nationality and right of abode in Britain, hitherto could reside in Britain and not bother to apply for British passport, somply using their French one. Both such people if they were or are outside Britain could be caught by this change as they would discover that they need an ETA with their French passports to be able to travel, but cannot get one because they are also British nationals, and would need to obtain a British passport or obtain the expensive certificate.
If you’re a dual French-British citizen, here are a couple of ways you can get to the UK:
You can renew your British passport. It’ll set you back £108, plus courier fees from France, and usually takes about a month to process online.
Alternatively, you could apply for a Certificate of Entitlement. This document shows you have the right to live in the UK and can be attached to your French passport, but it’s a bit pricey at £589.
Similarly, people with dual nationality also face a the same situation.
The confusion is that there is no clear information on whether people who automatically have the right to dual nationality (e.g. because one of their parents was born in the UK), but who have never applied for a British passport, will be allowed to enter the UK with a foreign (e.g. EU) passport and an ETA.
The British are the new Germans. Next thing the trains will be running on time (running for cover).
Not quite that simple. If you’re a British citizen and have a foreign passport, meaning you have at least dual nationality, you need a British passport to travel to UK - you can’t get an ETA on your foreign passport if you have dual citizenship.
Interestingly just yesterday I learnt that I have dual nationality. I was completely unaware. AFAIK the same might be able to apply to a non-British national, discovering they also have British citizenship, whence it would be knowingly breaking the law to decla re that they are not British nationals in order to circumvent this new rule and enter Britain with their
I have a British passport, and would keep it anyway so the new rule doesn’t affect me (but I may now take steps to get another passport, which will enable me to have extended stays in the EU).
I don’t think so, the Irish regulations talk about entitlement to citizenship while the British government states that
“British citizenship is normally automatically passed down one generation to children born outside the UK. For example, you might automatically become a citizen if you’re born outside the UK to a British parent. But your children will not automatically be citizens if they’re born outside the UK.”
The problem is in the phrase “become a British citizen”. They don’t say “you might automatically be a citizen”. Does this imply that one has to take action before one is “registered” as a citizen? Or does it mean that you automatically become a British citizen at the moment you are born and consequently now need a British passport to enter the country?
It means that if your parents are citizens and were born in the UK, you’re a citizen as well even if you’re born outside the UK. However your children, if born outside the UK, are not.
Over the years whilst working overseas, my employer would provide international accountancy support for tax purposes. It was clearly stated a number of times by different accounting firms both going to and returning to the UK that UK citizenship is fixed and cannot be changed. However you can be resident of another country which may or may not mean tax being applied in the UK and/or the resident country.
Using this as an example, I envisage the same rules apply to passports. Our son (UK citizen, expired UK passport but with USA passport) is checking this out with UK consulate in USA to identify requirements for travel to UK in December. He is also checking out requirements for his son born in the USA.
I suspect my son will either have to renew his UK passport or get a certificate. Similarly for his son, a UK passport will be required or a certificate. Quite an additional cost especially as a second child is due in the summer.
That’s not my understating when I looked into this. I’m born in New Zealand and have British citizenship and a UK passport through the old patriality criteria. My daughter is born in NZ, but has automatic British citizenship as I have it. Therefore, to visit the UK she can’t apply for a ETA and needs either the very expensive certificate of entitlement or a cheaper British passport.
You should look again as that’s not correct. Your daughter does not ‘automatically’ have UK citizenship as you weren’t born there and neither was she. She has to claim citizenship ‘by descent’
However, from the House of Commons Library:
“There is little practical difference between the two types of status, except that a child born overseas to a parent who is a British citizen “by descent” doesn’t automatically become British at birth.”
To add:
Key Considerations for Children Born Outside the UK
Automatic Citizenship: A child born outside the UK is generally an automatic British citizen if either parent is British otherwise than by descent (e.g., born, registered, or naturalized in the UK).
British “By Descent”: If the parent was also born outside the UK and holds British citizenship “by descent,” they cannot automatically pass on citizenship. The child must be registered.
I must admit I do find it amusing that the British economic migrants living around the world are now complaining about the hassles they are going through and expect sympathy. Whilst many other economic migrants come to the UK to do essential jobs, they often don’t get any sympathy for the hassles and expenses they have to work here. BTW, I have family living across the world, some of whom will be impacted by this, and this could be a hassle for them, but they chose to make the move. My brother, who lives in the EU, is unhappy with this as it could cause his children problems, but is more unhappy about another change implemented by the UK, which we don’t talk about here.