# Alternative to Phantom speaker cable **URL:** \ **Category:** Hi-Fi Corner\ **Created:** [July 12, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900 "2023-07-12T11:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![anon77199223](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@anon77199223](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/anon77199223)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 10:33pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/21 "2023-07-13T22:33:42Z")
Do you want to match the cable pairs, or find two different cables that complement one another on the mids and tweeters? ---
**Author:** ![Yorkshireman](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/yorkshireman/32/15103_2.png) [@Yorkshireman](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Yorkshireman)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 10:36pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/22 "2023-07-13T22:36:15Z")
> [@anon77199223](#): > > Do you want to match the cable pairs, or find two different cables that complement one another on the mids and tweeters? If I’m honest I’m not sure atm, I’m fairly happy with the Phantom on the tweeters, it would depend if I could find another cable that would compliment the Phantom. I did have some Spectre on order which would of hopefully worked OK and hopefully improved on the A5. ---
**Author:** ![anon77199223](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@anon77199223](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/anon77199223)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 10:47pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/23 "2023-07-13T22:47:44Z")
> [@Yorkshireman](#): > > (not David) some guy who makes the speaker cables and he recommended the MCRU Ultimate speaker cables Given that it’s a crap shoot, and that you won’t know until you try it whether any particular cable is going to work, it might be sensible just to try the cable that was recommended on a sale or return basis. Did he say why he was recommending it? Presumably, the main reason to recommend it would be if it was particularly good on the drivers and the speakers you are planning to use it on. Only if you like the idea of owning of course - otherwise you need to look further afield and find something that does take your fancy. Something that appeals to you. ---
**Author:** ![Sloop\_John\_B](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/sloop_john_b/32/116_2.png) [@Sloop\_John\_B](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Sloop_John_B)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/24 "2023-07-13T23:57:54Z")
> [@anon77199223](#): > > it might be sensible just to try the cable that was recommended on a sale or return basis Just pay by credit card! .sjb ---
**Author:** ![Yorkshireman](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/yorkshireman/32/15103_2.png) [@Yorkshireman](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Yorkshireman)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 7:39am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/25 "2023-07-15T07:39:26Z")
The Spectre was more expensive and supposed to be better than Phantom, so it seems that the general consensus is that OCC Copper is better than plated OFC Copper. ---
**Author:** ![Graeme](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@Graeme](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Graeme)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 9:09am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/26 "2023-07-15T09:09:03Z")
> [@Yorkshireman](#): > > The Spectre was more expensive and supposed to be better than Phantom Make no mistake, the Spectre is orders of magnitude better than the Phantom. Just my opinion of course. ---
**Author:** ![PerF](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/p/e68b1a/32.png) [@PerF](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/PerF)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2023, 12:51pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/27 "2023-07-15T12:51:10Z")
> [@Yorkshireman](#): > > Has anybody tried Neotec 3005? Looks interesting, new to me. Individual conductors looks familiar to Vertere and S Lumina. I was scaringly close to order the Spectre back then, obviously happy I didn’t end up there. Decided to sell on my Phantom as needed a bit longer length, exciting how KS-1 will perform. I always have a spare set of cables lying around - some old Linn K20, not bad and peanuts buying. ---
**Author:** ![Toon](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/toon/32/263470_2.png) [@Toon](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Toon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/28 "2023-07-16T19:58:02Z")
> [@Yorkshireman](#): > > The Spectre was more expensive and supposed to be better than Phantom, I went from Phantom to KS-1 to Spectre and each step was a big improvement in my system for sure. But Phantom is certainly no slouch. ---
**Author:** ![Booster](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/booster/32/156177_2.png) [@Booster](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Booster)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 1:43pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/29 "2023-07-17T13:43:16Z")
Agreed ---
**Author:** ![edo](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/edo/32/27186_2.png) [@edo](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/edo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/30 "2023-07-17T22:42:29Z")
Phantom is tin plated and KS-1 is silver plated. ---
**Author:** ![haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/d6d6ee/32.png) [@haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/haydj)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/31 "2023-08-30T20:04:24Z")
Looks like I am in a similar position to the OP. Just moved my listening room around and as a result I need longer cables. Hence I have switched from my relatively short run of phantoms to my old, and longer NACA5. My lounge is about 6m by 4m, and the system was set up across the width of the room, now its along the length of the room. In the new position the frequency response (as measured) is now very good, without too much bass - something i have been able to tweek by moving the speakers around. The dynamics have improved, but the treble is harsh and nearly unlistenable. As a temporary measure I have put the too short phantoms back in and the nasty treble has gone and its lovely again. It cant stay like this as the cables are now a serious trip hazard. So I need longer cables, which is obviously a problem with the demise of Witch hat. But maybe its the combination of my Focals and A5 which is the problem and the phantom was masking the issue. I presume from the above conversation its going to need to be either a) second hand set of phantom “if” they crop up for sale b) some Kudos KS-1 cable or c) look to swap out the speakers and keep the NACA5 d) move my room back to what it was. Or are there any other alternatives? ---
**Author:** ![Ian2001](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/ian2001/32/268534_2.png) [@Ian2001](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Ian2001)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2023, 8:18pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/32 "2023-08-30T20:18:45Z")
e-bay ? I think the Phantoms are lovely cables by the way . I didn’t know how much Kudos KS1 cost, looked it up about the same as Witch Hat . best wishes Ian ---
**Author:** ![Innocent\_Bystander](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/innocent_bystander/32/192292_2.png) [@Innocent\_Bystander](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Innocent_Bystander)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 9:01am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/33 "2023-08-31T09:01:47Z")
Responding to the thread title: physical speaker cables! Music definitely sounds better through them. Sorry, music definitely sounds through them … whether better depends on your imagination, and how good the speakers and rest of system are! ---
**Author:** ![JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/jamesbkk/32/197599_2.png) [@JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/JamesBKK)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 10:29am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/34 "2023-08-31T10:29:45Z")
Tchernov cables go very well with Naim and Focal. The classic range are richer and more engaging than WH Phantom and more open and detailed than NACA5. ---
**Author:** ![haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/d6d6ee/32.png) [@haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/haydj)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2023, 11:06am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/35 "2023-08-31T11:06:48Z")
Thanks, just had a look at their website to learn more and it says “made in russia”, which rules it out for me. ---
**Author:** ![JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/jamesbkk/32/197599_2.png) [@JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/JamesBKK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/36 "2023-09-01T00:32:30Z")
I’ve had mine quite a while… I have to say though, I’m a little disappointed with the WH Phantoms, having heard good things about them here and elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisBell](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/chrisbell/32/174277_2.png) [@ChrisBell](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/ChrisBell)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/37 "2023-09-01T01:05:50Z")
Mogami 3082. You can buy it terminated with banana plugs on Amazon. Using with my office system Supernait 2. Cheap and sounds surprisingly better than Naca5. Open, detailed and very musical sound. Takes time to run-in. Generous return policy from the seller. Seriously… try it. ---
**Author:** ![JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/jamesbkk/32/197599_2.png) [@JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/JamesBKK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 1:12am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/38 "2023-09-01T01:12:57Z")
Hi @ChrisBell are you using Mogami 3082 on your 555 set up? ---
**Author:** ![ChrisBell](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/chrisbell/32/174277_2.png) [@ChrisBell](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/ChrisBell)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 1:22am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/39 "2023-09-01T01:22:05Z")
No. I use Superlumina in my 500 system. Mogami is “poor-man’s” Superlumina. I’ve been surprised by how musical it sounds. ---
**Author:** ![JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/jamesbkk/32/197599_2.png) [@JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/JamesBKK)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 1:29am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/40 "2023-09-01T01:29:20Z")
> [@ChrisBell](#): > > Mogami is “poor-man’s” Superlumina. Sounds like my kind of thing… [Previous page](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900.md?page=3)