# Alternative to Phantom speaker cable **URL:** \ **Category:** Hi-Fi Corner\ **Created:** [July 12, 2023, 11:23am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900 "2023-07-12T11:23:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![FrankF](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@FrankF](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/FrankF)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2023, 2:11pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/41 "2023-09-01T14:11:26Z")
Are the Mogami cables marked with the recommended signal direction? ---
**Author:** ![FrankF](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@FrankF](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/FrankF)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2023, 4:19pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/42 "2023-09-04T16:19:40Z")
Another question, are the Mogami cables safe to use with Olive NAC 135s? FF ---
**Author:** ![JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/jamesbkk/32/197599_2.png) [@JamesBKK](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/JamesBKK)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 1:51am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/43 "2023-09-05T01:51:28Z")
Their website lists capacitance (1kHz, 20 degrees C) at 253pF/m and inductance at 0.4µH/m. ---
**Author:** ![FrankF](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@FrankF](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/FrankF)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 8:55am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/44 "2023-09-05T08:55:03Z")
So they are high capacitance and maybe not good for older amps. ---
**Author:** ![swintonlion](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/swintonlion/32/2703_2.png) [@swintonlion](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/swintonlion)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/45 "2023-09-05T09:17:48Z")
Wonder what happened to the reels of Spectre cables, was it all sent out what they had, if not a good opportunity for someone to make a a alternative to Phantom, i was sent some and a good uplift from the, anyone know approximately how many was producted. ---
**Author:** ![anon70766008](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/a/e99b99/32.png) [@anon70766008](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/anon70766008)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 9:24am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/46 "2023-09-05T09:24:09Z")
I use a very good cable called NACA5. It goes so well with the Naim equipment that you’d almost think that it was made for it! ---
**Author:** ![Blackbird](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/blackbird/32/461897_2.png) [@Blackbird](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Blackbird)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 9:35am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/47 "2023-09-05T09:35:43Z")
My guess is they never had the money to make the final payment and get the shipment from their manufacturer and then instead finalised few orders with the prototype cable. Given the likely rather big amount of backorders, finalising those would have meant a rather big income for the company. ---
**Author:** ![haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/d6d6ee/32.png) [@haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/haydj)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 9:39am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/48 "2023-09-05T09:39:08Z")
Its great they list the specs, but having looked into it, thats the conclusion I came to so I am looking at other alternatives. ---
**Author:** ![haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/d6d6ee/32.png) [@haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/haydj)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 10:02am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/49 "2023-09-05T10:02:14Z")
I find it interesting that we can come to different conclusions on the same products. Having lived with NACA5 for a long time I have come to the conclusion I dont like it any more. Usual disclaimer applies, my system, my ears my room - your impressions and views may be different 🙂 It may also be that my tastes/preferences have changed as I have aged. ---
**Author:** ![BBWan](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/bbwan/32/158694_2.png) [@BBWan](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/BBWan)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 12:37pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/50 "2023-09-05T12:37:10Z")
Agree with this. I couldn’t get NACA5 out of my system quick enough. The bass was full, but that’s about the nicest thing I can say about it. There is no shortage of great options out there for sensible money. I’ve not experienced the Mogami speaker cables, but can’t testify to them making some excellent stuff (I’ve tried a number of their interconnects) so it doesn’t surprise me to hear that the speaker cables are good too. I also have a soft spot for Chord Epic, but I know it’s not to everyone’s taste. ---
**Author:** ![Graeme](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/g/50afbb/32.png) [@Graeme](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Graeme)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/51 "2023-09-05T14:30:04Z")
NACA5 is a very good cable notwithstanding its stubbornness in corners, but imo Phantom is better, and Spectre is better again. I have all three cables here at home and have done back to back testing. Spectres are in my main system (and I can now believe the specs on my SBL’s), and Phantoms in my second system. My NACA5 is in a box. ---
**Author:** ![BBWan](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/bbwan/32/158694_2.png) [@BBWan](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/BBWan)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2023, 3:03pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/52 "2023-09-05T15:03:01Z")
> [@Graeme](#): > > My NACA5 is in a box Best place for it 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JosquinDesPrez](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/josquindesprez/32/645_2.png) [@JosquinDesPrez](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/JosquinDesPrez)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/53 "2023-09-09T01:58:55Z")
I’ve been using Phantom since a couple months after I got my 300DR. I always liked it better than the NACA5 it replaced. I suppose I could pull out my NACA 5 after all these years and compare again, but it’s a problem for me now because the NACA5 I have isn’t long enough (7m) to hide behind my record shelves like I do with the Phantom (10m). ---
**Author:** ![david1111](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/david1111/32/116200_2.png) [@david1111](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/david1111)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 3:03am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/54 "2023-09-09T03:03:15Z")
I’ll be in the same pickle soon, as I was planning on pre-owned or new WH Phantoms. Probably new to get the right length. For me, I’ll most likely start with Kudos KS-1s after what I’ve read about them, mostly on this forum. I’m not in a rush though as I will wait till I move house. ---
**Author:** ![haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/h/d6d6ee/32.png) [@haydj](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/haydj)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2023, 10:33pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/55 "2023-09-09T22:33:13Z")
Ok an update. I went to my local dealer for a bit of a cable demo extended session. Unfortunately they dont have any olive or classic naim. Just a Nova or the new 200 and 300 series. Starting with the nova, we tried Phantom, turillium (spelling?) and Kudos. The Kudos seems to be a lot like Phantom with a bit more detail. Im sat at home now with a demo set, i’ll try the Phantom and NACA5 over the next few days. So far I think I could live with the Kudos. I also tried out the new classic 200 and 300. The new classic 200 i tried is not a patch on my olive system. The new 300 is very nice indeed as it should be at that level of investment. But not sure Id want to make the move from what I already have - its very different. ---
**Author:** ![Toon](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/toon/32/263470_2.png) [@Toon](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Toon)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2023, 3:26am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/56 "2023-09-10T03:26:05Z")
My speaker cable upgrade path over the last 20+ years has been Chord Epic Twin → WH Phantom → Kudos KS-1 → WH Spectre. 4 great cables and each step was a significant improvement. Speakers are Kudos 606 ---
**Author:** ![3401](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/3/58f4c7/32.png) [@3401](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/3401)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:11am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/58 "2023-09-27T06:11:24Z")
the mysterious Spectre seem to have vanished into thin air - what did it cost? ---
**Author:** ![3401](https://community.naimaudio.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/3/58f4c7/32.png) [@3401](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/3401)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:11am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/59 "2023-09-27T06:11:36Z")
jeff day at Positive Feedback has a few articles re Duelund Dual DCA12GA, a 12 ft pr/ 4 meter pair is about $150. Tin-plated, Stranded Copper, Oiled Cotton Speaker/Interconnect Cable. Anyone use Dueland with Naim gear? ---
**Author:** ![Yorkshireman](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/yorkshireman/32/15103_2.png) [@Yorkshireman](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Yorkshireman)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/60 "2023-09-27T15:09:23Z")
> [@3401](#): > > what did it cost? From memory I think it was about £145 a metre or about 15% less if ordered on promotion. ---
**Author:** ![Yorkshireman](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/yorkshireman/32/15103_2.png) [@Yorkshireman](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Yorkshireman)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900/61 "2023-09-27T15:12:31Z")
> [@3401](#): > > Tin-plated, Stranded Copper KS1 is silver plated but is more expensive than Duelund Dual DCA12GA, given the choice between tin plated and silver plated I’d prefer silver. Spectre was just plain OCC Copper so maybe un-plated is better. [Previous page](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/alternative-to-phantom-speaker-cable/29900.md?page=4)