Guys, do any of you know of another shop that sells the 4 pin DIN to 2x3pin XLR Y cable please? I purchased form Flashback cables but sadly the owner has contacted to advise that due to personal injury there will be a long delay with the order.
I’m not sure if it is the way you have written the sentence but you can’t compare a 282 against a 282+HC or 282+SC.
What I am trying to decide is which path to take and i am doing preliminary research. This is being complicated by the fact that Naim offers so many paths (which in my opinion create headaches for the end user although I am sure that this is not Naim’s intention).
The relative cost of each component does matter since it does add to the total cost of the system and I am not working on an unlimited budget.
I am not sure why you have created such an opinion because I dont recall saying this however now that you mention it I do agree with that statement.
Buying second hand almost always gives better value for money. Because you are buying the product without having to pay for the depreciation (the first buyer always pays for that). The same story as with cars. When the buyer is working on a limited budget it allows them to get a better system if they bought second hand and thus to go through fewer upgrade steps/paths.
No matter what you choose there will always be bigger and better and temptation as well as human greed never ends so I am trying to find that happy medium which would require as little upgrades in the future as possible and within a budget. Especially since when you buy Naim separates you can be happy with them or decades (as stories form many owners have shown).
Exactly my line of thinking too. I suppose now and again I need to stop and remind myself that I have to be careful of the side effects of forums (despite all the excellent benefits of using them). Thank you for reminding me of that.
I don’t think it’s breaking any forum rules (?) so if you need a specific cable that Naim don’t provide then I’d try Sean Jacobs at Custom HiFi Cables…and the posts that you said had disappeared could be because you broke forum rules and they were deleted!
The cost of the 282+SCDR is not too much in itself however it becomes too much if in order to enjoy it I have to spend another £10k on a streamer (at least if i went for the Naim options that is).
That’s a shame, you could make one your self. 4 pin din plug, with or without locking ring and two xlr plugs, you might be surprised to find out the the standard cables supplied with the nap300 dr are 2A 3 core flexes, complete with brown,blue & yellow/green cores. I would expect a good dealer could make one up for you.
I currently use a simple twisted pair cables between my SuperUniti and my nap300 dr, (same cable) Using single core cables makes it easier to make off the din plug end.
Btw, I have heard a Nova used as a source-pre into both a Nap250 and a D’Agostino Progression amp, circa £50k and it sounded very good and quite frankly, staggering through the D’Agostino, despite some here saying that it can’t be done!
@iliria, nothing at the level you’re talking about is going to sound crap, it’s going to sound varying degrees of fantastic. Yes, the balance may be off here and there, but the basic blueprint of 282/300/SC/£7k speakers with a decent source is going to be superb. You’ll have a system many people dream about.
As it happens I have some clear 6mm perspex that I can use. It won’t show as much as paper.
Yes, but if the budget for streamer, pre, and power amp is together e.g. 15000, the question is if the end result is better by spending 1000, 7000, and 7000. Or 4000, 6000, and 5000.
Of course this is complicated by future plans and good deals coming up unexpectedly
I was talking about the level. Nova has a streaming board and a dac. Same for 272. But yes, the Nova streaming board is new, not like the 272. But as a combo, streamer and dac, there are globally on the same level.
But the pre, 272 with Xps for instance, is much better vs the internal pre of the Nova.
You can see at:
Future shop
Audio T
Tom Tom
…or ask a native uk member, as Gazza, HH…
FWIW I have just installed a 250DR and am waiting for a 282 to appear from my dealer very soon. This will be fed by my NAPSC and HCDR. My streamer is a ND5XS2 which to me sounds great.
I realise that an NDX2 with PS will be better, but for various reasons, it’s not an option for me, certainly for the time being.
So once I have the 282/250 up and running, I’ll let you know if I’m happy. I’m sure the 300 would sound amazing with a better source than mine, but from what I gather from this forum, I expect the ND5XS2 would allow you to stream to a very acceptable level, even if not to the best of the amp’s abilities.
Even with some of the stratosphere systems here (statement comes to mind) ,I doubt many of the purchasers had unlimited budgets to work with. A good portion of my system was bought second-hand because I need money for food and rent. However, one of the advantages to naim is that it does work as a system , but still needs matching to keep from being just a bunch of boxes. That is why it helps to work with a reputable dealer, You can hear a combination before buying, also He/She may also have better access to used pieces.
Not sure I believe that, otherwise why change the streaming platform at all. It would be a strange upgrade if it didn’t improve aspects of SQ…
I don’t know that the the bitstream that the new platform delivers to the DAC is any better or what “better” would mean. Apart from any SQ questions it was however necessary to bring a new streaming platform as the old one had trouble accommodating modern online streaming.
One of the things I think worth considering is how long you will be happy with whatever you have before you decide you want and can afford more… If it’s more likely measured in tens of months than in tens of years, then you should consider each piece as adding to the current setup but scalable for the future - like your 300…
I’d also go for ex-demo or used as often as you can. Whilst I recently had some funds I could use to buy a new system, the source and 500 DR were much less than retail, the 552 and speakers were full price but I got the Fraim and half the cabling thrown in for free, and a good deal on my trade-ins. There’s always a deal to be done… Keep searching and find a good dealer to be discussing all this with.
Pslosarc, there is the streaming platform and the dac. It’s a combo.
The sound is due to that combo.
For example you have the new Ndx2. The streaming part is better vs the Nds , specially for online streaming. But overall the Nds is still ahead as a streaming dac. The reviews attest that and also some members who compared both.
I could compare Ndx and Nd5xs2. The sound quality level is very similar.
It seems to me there is a gaping hole in the range between NDX2 and ND555. Maybe an NDS2 round the corner ???
Well, from NDX2, you can move up to NDX2 + XPS DR, then to NDX2 + 555PSDR, then to ND555, so not so much of a gaping hole…
Was thinking some more about this and can see the logic now. If you go as far as NDX2 + 555PS, can you purchase the ND555 head unit only? I have only seen it advertised as a combination in Spain but I notice UK sites with head unit only prices…