I think that Naim, or most competent Naim dealers, could fix any ‘issue’ that arises with the ARO.
I certainly hope so, as I have two, with nothing else as back-up!
I think that Naim, or most competent Naim dealers, could fix any ‘issue’ that arises with the ARO.
I certainly hope so, as I have two, with nothing else as back-up!
As far as I know, production of the ARO stopped, because certain parts for it could no longer be obtained at a remotely sensible price.
You would be best advised to contact Peter directly about this as while I give some leeway in discussion of LP12s and associated items, Naim dealers are restricted on what they can discuss here with regard to other current brands they offer. Thanks.
Javelin is not a copy of ARO. It used the ideas of the ARO and improved them. Javelin is a great tonearm and I’m very happy with the one on my LP12.
Of course it’s a copy of the ARO.
The name ‘Javelin’ is at least a pretty open admission that this is the case.
I haven’t a clue what is meant by this. All I know is that when I did the demo, the Aro was failing to retrieve information that even Ittok was capable of retrieving.
So what if the Javelin is a copy, TP found sources of some of the parts and added their own parts to them. The Javelin works very well and it is a pity that no entrepreneur has acquired the rights from TP to continue manufacture.
Apart from the lift lower issue that Peter mentioned, the only draw back was that it could not be fitted to a Keel - but it can be fitted to a Tangerine Phoenix and a Lifter added to get around the lift/lower problem! Maybe Peter can comment on this combination even though there is no Radikal PS on my deck.
FF
Given the relatively small number of Aro’s made - and even less of the Javelin - its remarkable how much ‘love’ there is for these designs.
It cannot be impossible to make these again. Naim did it recently, for the Solstice (albeit with some help, from Clearaudio). TP did it with the Javelin.
But… I guess it would never be a top seller…? Fitting an Aro to an LP 12 means either an older Linn sub-chassis with a conventional arm board - or a Keel/A (limited availability).
Hmmm… Maybe someone should have a go…?
@Cymbiosis - ??
Eh! Keel/a, Kore/a and Phoenix/a All available X stock if you know where to look
What’s wrong with it is that it’s theft!
That’s a very bad thing, from my point of view - as I don’t lie, cheat or steal. Others may feel less scrupulous!
Ariston may have felt the same way when the LP12 was introduced…
Always his attitude:
Date: June 11, 1999 02:49 AM
Author: julian vereker
Subject: patents etc
We don’t have any patents on any of our technologies, since to do so we would need to explain what we have done - secrets seem to work quite well. Also a patent is only a license to sue, and I can’t think of a worse place to spend my time, in a court.
I got quite enough of that second hand from Ivor when he was being sued over his bearing patent- (he won, but . . .)
In the UK, ‘Passing off’ is an offence where the perpetrator describes his product as (for example) a Naim when it is only a copy (a clone would require identical genes, which is seriously unlikely), so far as I remember this becomes a criminal offence if the products are sold or distributed for commercial gain and the Trading Standards office will prosecute and confiscate all the offending items, a custodial sentence could follow a successful prosecution.
Various companies have ‘copied’ Naim designs over the years - Onix comes to mind, their integrated amp’s circuit board layout and components bore a striking resemblance to the Nait 2, as another example, Philips now have laser absorbing painted panel on their mechanisms, first used in our CDS.
Copying is the sincerest form of flattery, but if it goes to the extreme of breaking the law (Passing off, counterfeiting or copyright infringement), the law is at hand.
Thanks for posting this, from JV…
Roy George once said to me that Naim had historically been a little casual in giving away their hard won secrets of small improvements.
I felt this was true and became more guarded in passing on what I learned in R&D.
‘People’ look at Naim products and assume that what-they-see is the whole of what Naim put in. There are any number of tweaks and additional stages that are not evident and - why should these be given away for free and be ridiculed, usually by Highly Qualified Forum Engineers, as unnecessary and/or foo?
Hardly a surprise, seeing as I have been championing the ARO for many years…
What size of allen key do you use for adjust VTA on Aro?
In metrics 2.5 is too big and 2.0 not enought but 3/32 inch is too big too…
2.0mm assuming the head of the grub screw is not burred or chewed up.
KR
Peter
Thanks for help