Beginning of the end for Spotify?

The problem with Tidal doing this is that the artists you did stream will see their streaming numbers and do their calculations, and wouldn’t be happy if Tidal told them “well, these streamers already bought your albums, so we gave your money to someone else”

You could stream other artists on your phone while you sleep, or donate on Bandcamp

Thanks, quite possible I’ve forgotten a username (it would likely be on a much older Mac). Will try the support link tomorrow.

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Think about it though, all the bands I stream will get their tiny payments per play so that is entirely proprotionate depedning on play frequency. Just seems a bit of a gimmick to give the ‘top’ streamed that month an extra payment and nothing to anyone else - totally unfair in my view.

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Just stick on a long playlist of your favourite obscure band when you have finished listening and leave it to play out. That should skew the figures in their favour. (Probably a waste of electricity though)

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That’s not entirely true though, and is the reason for Tidal changing it. The older model meant that a Tidal user who streamed less than average contributed more to those artists who had the most streams overall, although they never listened to that artist.

The idea of the new Tidal direct-artist payout calculation is that those who you actually stream get your payments, which seems fair to me. I agree that maybe there should be a simple “donate” option where you can freely choose (if there isn’t already), but I can’t be opposed to the artists that you stream getting your money, even though you already have their albums

Anyway, system will change again in 2022 with Fan-Centered Royalities, so it’s maybe moot

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A quick search says Tidal pays $0.0125 per stream so $12.50 per 1000 streams.

Let’s say album length of 45 mins, 10 tracks per album, so in theory playing 24/7 that could be 320 streams per day I think.

I s there a cap?

If not you could potentially generate incopme of $4 per day for an artist with non-stop playback.

Oddly I was just thinking the same!

That leaves me more confused! In reality I doubt most users of the services care at all.

In the old system (that the other services use as well) it’s just an artifact of how the averaging works. They explain the older system and the upcoming fan-centered royalties quite well here:

https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/4410438959121-What-are-Fan-Centered-Royalties-

And the new, current direct-artist payouts:
https://support.tidal.com/hc/en-us/articles/4409637608849-Direct-Artist-Payouts-and-Royalties

In any case, kudos to them for thinking about this and trying! Spotify and others don’t bother at all. The users may not care (although I think it is an important topic for Tidal users), but in any case the service should strive to being fair to artists on behalf of non-caring users. IMHO it’s a necessary part of their being a service, they don’t serve only their shareholders (or shouldn’t)

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That is interesting - if they were a bit more transparent they could actually specify how much of your monthly subscription is allocated proportionately to the artists you play.

Will it be 10%, 25%, 50%, 75% of your subscription? Who knows but I bet it’d be on the lower end of the scale.

Apparently when the fan-centered royalties are launched, there will be a “Fan-Centered Royalty information” page, maybe there will be more info. I have no basis to guess how many percent of the subscription is paid out, but as they are paying more than other services, and at least seem to give a s**t at all, I can’t get too worked up about it :slight_smile:

I was wondering what happened to that thread

If I caught correctly something on BBC News I was half listening to a few minutes ago, Spotify has been triggered to make a move against blogs presenting mis-information.

Maybe because
Willie Nelson, Bruce Springsteen, Barbra Streisand, Queen, Paul McCartney, The Rolling Stones, Dave Grohl, Pearl Jam
are also pulling their music ?

Where one person leads, others follow…!

Is Ted Nugent still there?

Who? :grin:

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Let Spotify die, misinformation should not be tolerated.

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And who decides what is information and what is misinformation. Science only survives because facts are challenged and debated. Things that have once been true have been proven false. I’d rather not have a tyranny where there is “one source of truth” thanks.

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Thousands of doctors, scientists and healthcare professionals signed an open letter to Spotify, expressing deep concerns and citing Rogan’s “misinformation” in discussing the Covid-19 pandemic!!!