Best "Value for Money" Turntables

Graham,

I know Naim have very occasionally organised forum visits to the factory but I haven’t heard of SME doing anything similar. Any tours/visits I have done have always been in my capacity as a reviewer and were press/distributor/dealer only. I doubt they would have the manpower to accomodate one on one visits like that from the public although if you pulled together a group of people (say on here) who are interested they might consider doing it as they are I’m sure aware they have a lot of fans who would enjoy it.

I’m happy to put the feelers out with my contact at the factory if there’s sufficient interest if that helps?

JonathanG

Please count me in, Jonathan, as I would love to visit - although I have never actually owned an SME tonearm. (Although I did help a friend to fit one to a Thorens TT when I was at Oxford some 50 years ago, but I don’t suppose that that counts.)

I remember reading once that Alistair Roberts-Aikman (spelling?), SME’s founder, used to have a music room at the Factory, in which he had rigged up 30 (or so) QUAD ESL63s for demoing the SME arms.

It makes my six ESL57s upstairs seem rather puny!

Quite a few years back at the Bristol show, the guys from Kudos were demonstrating the S20 speaker with 552/500. But also they had an SME turntable, a fantastically engineered beast but I can’t recall which model. I don’t know which model but it had a top end Dynavector. It sounded simply sublime, even under show conditions.

I think the fact that “amari” means “not very” in Japanese and on it’s own is an abreviation for “Not very good” would steer me well away if only by unfortunate mental association.

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i’d just love to know how many turntables/amps etc etc you own?

I honestly think probably enough to open a museum!! And the thing that amazes me is that it’s all the really good/beautiful stuff - fully boxed unused SME IV, those incredible Lecson amps with their multicoloured sliders, vintage Nakamichi tape decks and Revox reel to reels. There’s bound to be a Transcriptors hydraulic reference in there lol too. In fact I reckon Richard could assemble the most beautiful hifi system ever made with:

Transcriptors Hydraulic Refererence
SME IV
Cartridge - not sure on this but maybe a Dynavector?
Amps - well it simply has to be the Lecson!!
Nakamichi tape deck
Sequerra Model 1 tuner (do you have one Richard?)
Speakers - tough choice this but in the end I came down on the Grundig Audiorama 8000 hung from the ceiling on chains rather than stands for full on 70’s cool vibes!!

Looks like at some point Grundig even resurrected them as the 9000 - just glorious!!

JonathanG

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They look awesome. :grinning:

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Knew I’d seen those somewhere before. :grinning:

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My ex father-in-law had a transcriptors in his office. It was a film prop (he had a couple of film prop businesses based in London) and I always wondered whether it was the one from a Clockwork Orange. He couldn’t recall, just that it had been used in some film back in the '70s (!). Sadly, he sold the businesses and I have no idea what happened to it since.

However, I do think that the Gyrodec is one of the best looking turntables ever made. I bought one years ago, purely on the basis of its looks. I then proceeded to get it upgraded, eventually to Orbe (Gorbe?) spec. I thought about getting another, just so the SME IV had the ideal deck pairing - again, they just look so right together.

Sadly no Sequerra. I did have the rare Lecson SFM2 tuner for a while, and still have the pre-amp, although the power amp is now long gone, having failed many years ago.

Those Grundigs look fab!

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I’m sure even Linn would admit that the suspended sub chassis design of the LP 12 is prior art and that any gain in performance over similar designs is due to the design and engineering of its various elements to eliminate unwanted vibrations in the vertical plane.

The last turntable I owned before I got an LP12 was a silver Thorens 160 BC mark II. I bought it (with financing from the bank of mum and dad) from Comet on Bold Street in Liverpool in late 1977 for the princely sum of £79.00, without an arm.

Used with the SME 3009 Series II (fixed headshell, for lowest effective mass of course) and the Shure M75 EJ2 body with ED2 stylus that I transferred from a Connoisseur BD1, records played on it sounded great through my Rotel RX 150A receiver and matching Rank Domus 200 loudspeakers.

I was also very impressed with the design, which looked very sleek in silver, and the build quality, especially of the sub platter-bearing assembly and heavy, cast 12-inch platter. The 45 RPM wide-hole adaptor, which lived in the center of the sub platter around the spindle, was a really nice touch.

My records sounded even better when the FrankenShure was replaced with an Ortofon VMS 20E/II, and better still when the receiver and speakers were replaced with an A&R A60 and a pair of Celef Mini Professional loudspeakers. I recall spending many happy hours listening to music on that system during the long summer of 1979 while I was waiting for my O Level results.

In the Autumn of 1979, my dad and I hauled the Thorens in a taxi to Brady’s on Smithdown Road to compare it with the LP12. The LP12 was fitted with the S-shaped Rega R200 arm and an Ortofon VMS 20E/II body. For the demo, we switched the stylus between the turntables.

We also tried to replicate the system I had at home, but Brady’s didn’t have the Mini Professionals any more, so we used the next model up in the Celef range, the PE1.

We started with side 1 of Wish You Were Here on my Thorens. The PE1s were clearly an upgrade on my Mini Professionals and I was wondering if I should upgrade my speakers instead.

Then we played the same track on the LP12. I had read Paul Benson’s infamous review of the LP12 in HiFi Answers and so was aware that the LP12 was better because it retrieved more information from records than other turntables. Therefore, I was expecting to a hear a little extra low-level detail, maybe the tinkling of a cymbal or some such, that I hadn’t heard before.

I was not expecting the musicians to emerge from behind the speakers to occupy the space around, between, and even outside the speakers. Great though the Thorens was (similar level of performance to the excellent Rega Planar 3 that Brady’s used for my earlier amplifier and speaker demos), the LP12 was, to my ears, better than the Thorens by an amount that justified spending £294.00 on the LP12 without arm. Brady’s even gave me £95.00 trade-in for my Thorens/SME.

I kept that LP12 until Linn introduced the Lingo in 1990, when I replaced it with the LP12 I have today.

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Nice story. I don’t blame you for switching from the Shure cartridge to an Ortofon. I used to have an MC20, which I hardly ever hear of these days.

Just saw the new Mitchell Ustream TT2. Announced for around 300 dollars on Analog planet.
May be a good value as Mitchell has a very long expertise in turntables.

I’m not sure how long his expertise goes back with turntables, as the Analog Planet piece seems to suggest it’s only something he’s turned to relatively recently;

Mitchell Acoustics is the brainchild of British audio specialist and professional producer/musician Paul Mitchell. With the help of his father, Mitchell built his first hi-fi system in the ’70s, and he hasn’t stopped creating new gear ever since. Mitchell designed equipment for a number of UK audio companies for about a decade and a half before turning his attention to his own company, ultimately coming up with the uStream wireless speaker system concept. It was only a matter of time before he shifted his focus to turntables, which is where the uStream TT2 comes into the picture.

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I thought it was the same Mitchell as behind the Gyrodeck, Tecnodeck….
So let’s say that he benefits from the long expertise of his father then.

That’s J.A. Michell, (without the T), behind the Gyrodec, Orbe, Syncro etc.

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My God ! I have all wrong today :tired_face:

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We all have days like that …

And he who says he never has had days like that, has never done anything

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If you’re me, every day is like that.

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Thanks for your support Ian. Hopefully I am not that severe with myself.
I feel the mistake can be here easily done, as both Mitchell and Michell are UK manufacturers and both do turntables.
Our moderator is also a great audio connoisseur, so he could quickly establish the truth here.

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The last day was not better for me. I wanted to listen to some new Naim gear in Paris. But as soon I entered inside, I discovered they were doing pizzas!

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ps: not a true story, just a joke.

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