Burn in - a myth?

I think there’s only been one real dissonant, everyone is else seems to be getting along fine despite not all agreeing. In that sense you are right, there’s no single conclusion everyone can agree on.

Still, I think the thread has been really interesting and useful, especially in the beginning where actual mechanisms for burn-in were being discussed. So I disagree on the no value.

:clock3: This topic will close 2 months after the last reply.

Perhaps this should be brought forward…. by 2 months?

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Not true, I’ve learned we have an ignore feature :laughing:

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Recently I heard my kittens chirruping about “snooze in” for beds. Who knew it was a thing?

Using Google Translate I discovered, one believes it is important whilst the other doesn’t. To cut a long story short, they resolved this by letting the kitten who doesn’t believe in “snooze in” for beds sleep in a new bed first, the other only takes up snoozing in it after it is “snoozed in” by his brother, from observation, this is around 3 to 6 weeks. Both seem happy with their arrangement and not still debating the matter, using the time to get extra zeds in or plotting together ways to get an extra meal out of me.

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Interesting - thanks for the detail. That is the first occasion, in many years and multiple threads, where someone has done a direct comparison between two cables, one unused the other used. I can understand why you are so convinced that burn-in is real, though it is odd that I’ve never experienced up and down changes, and indeed not heard changes with any gear , though the only speakers I’ve had from new were my first, home brew, and my first IMFs nearly 50 years ago, when no-one talked about burn in or run in at all.

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Why on earth people let not agreeing lead to bad tamper I really do not understand. That is how wars happed! For heaven’s sake, this is hifi we’re discussing, and whether or not we agree is academic and a matter of interest, not anything to fray tempers.

Who has fallen out?

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Well, that went well.

DG…

Yes I agree, this thread has become a bit silly now.

Just popped my head round the door on my way out…

I posted that way back post No. 321. That was the point at which I sould have called it quits. Silly me.

Sadly I agree 100%. I should have known better from past experiences. Never again!

although not a big believer I do think it’s good to have an open mind either way, however an evangelical view is not healthy or indeed helpful to the discussion.

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Shall I switch of the lights and lock up now?

Only once the switch has Burnt-in…

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I would do more than that. Board up the building and sell it off.

Before or after it has burnt in?

Never mind 'burnt in". I would burn it down.

The good thing about burn-in is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.

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Why is it the cable burn in sceptics don’t question component burn in?

Let’s consider the parts within these amplifiers- capacitors, transistors, transformers and so on. What do you think is burning in when a component sounds different after a period of burn in?

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Capacitors change as you put electric through them. This ‘forming’ is a documented process going as far back at least as valve radios.

Transformers move/vibrate, albeit at a minute level, and may settle on their mounting reducing microphony which is also known to affect SQ.

I can tell if the electricity supply is on gas or wind power just by how hi-hats sound.

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Agreed. I am no engineer or scientist but if manufacturers are stating that all these parts burn in I have no reason to doubt it. I don’t have the tools nor the desire to conduct tests to prove to myself that their claims are correct. Equally when manufacturers state that cables burn in and I have experienced it myself I have absolutely no reason or desire to question why I am hearing what I hear.

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Exactly. Unfortunately, those who do not believe cannot accept this. It is due instead to, well, just about any bizarre reason, usually something psychological. The point being that because they cannot personally conceive of a causative mechanism they deem that it cannot possibly occur.

I’m willing to bet that many of these people believe in cable directionality. I wonder what they think that is due to? The fairies waving their magic wands perhaps?

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