Nothing at all, and it wasn’t supposed to. I was simply completing Bigboy’s observation - is there a problem with that?
And this makes me incorrect how exactly? But, whatever you say bud.
I’m puzzled, as I haven’t read any post in this thread saying you imagined what you heard, and I don’t think that has been said of other people who have reported hearing cable burn-in in this thread. Maybe it is some other thread where someone has said you imagined hearing it?
I preferred Betty!
In this context I don’t think we need worry too much about that. The phrase ‘splitting hairs’ comes to mind.
I had no idea you were a psychologist and had made a study in this area.
Where is the evidence for this in relation to burn-in? You make a range of assertions here without anything to back them up other than casual hearsay and leaps of logic.
I have.
Just one example from yourself. This doesn’t imply that I am imagining what I’ve heard then? What does it mean?
Perhaps. But I nonetheless I do take exception to it.
Ah, but they don’t really do they! It’s just a ploy to make gullible customers such as me believe it so that if I’m disappointed with the sound of a product when I install it then I’ll imagine that after a few days/weeks it’s burnt in and sounds so much better!
I must be dumb to have fallen for it! No doubt I’ll ‘come to’ at some point and realise that my three Powerlines, rather than sounding superb, actually sound very average. Perhaps at that point I could have them under the Sale of Goods Act? Now there’s a thought!
I confirm I am not a psychologist, and I claim no special no expert knowledge in this area. Sources of bias or influence with comparison of things like within hifi have been widely reported and discussed, just as they have in other areas. If you choose to deny, ignore, or believe yourself totally immune that is entirely your prerogative, but don’t be surprised if someone else flags up the possibility.
Suggesting the possibility of being influenced by some psychological factor or other is different from accusing someone of imagining something, at least that how it seems and is meant by me. As for whether psychological influence on hearing perception counts as imagination, for greater clarity we would need a psychologist. Regardless, when I have suggested this as a possible cause it has been just that, a suggestion of one possible cause, which is very different from stating that it is all in your mind which seems to be how you feel your description of your experience was received.
As for hearing differently at one time compared to another due to physiological factors, that is very clearly real not in the mind, but the cause is in the body not the object to which one is listening.
You will recall that I also said that that my observation about the possibility of psychological or physiological effects causing people to think a cable had changed was not saying nothing burns or runs in, and also when you described your own experience with a virgin and used cable I responded with genuine interest.
My sincere apologies. You sounded as if you knew what you were talking about.
As far as I can see, if the cause is psychological, then it is indeed all in the mind. Imagined. You can’t have it both ways, it’s either imaginary or real.
In the end all the trick-cyclist clap trap is neither here nor there. Nor is any talk of proving anything scientifically which is impossible in the context of this forum.
One either hears it or one does not. One either believes or one does not. And that’s all OK.
To all here, do we really want to continue with this nonsense?
Have a good evening everyone. Bye bye.
Next up: why blind tests matter!
(This is purely meant as a joke, no inferring or slurring intended )
It’s been an (in parts) interesting thread, but I don’t think anyone will miss it…
I suggest you re-read what I have said, and reconsider what you have said.
I do not have to be a psychologist to know that there are a various psychological influences known by psychologists to be capable of altering perception and that the hifi/audiophile world is an area where such influences may very well abound.
In this thread in recent days you have been a dominant person complaining of others’ attitudes towards you as a burn-in believer, yet you seem to be very willing to accuse others of not knowing what they are talking about, while interpreting others’ well-intended and genuine observations into imagined accusations against your own integrity, which certainly on my part was neither said nor intended.
If i do anything blind it can make me feel scatty, stressful, restless and not know where i’m even going - i was never any good at playing blind man’s bluff for instance.
Curtain up!
TIME FOR THE ENCORE!!!
Just kidding
A perfect note to wind up the thread. Until next time folks…