Conundrum: what to do with my existing setup?

An interesting dilemma for sure. First you need to decide whether you want to fix the 180 and stay with the Olives. If you do, getting an NDX2 is the way to go, you cannot beat source first. That said, with those speakers, an Olive 250 would be a lot better than the 180.

The Nova needs careful matching with speakers. I tried it with ProAc Tablette 10 Signatures and it was very thin and bass light, and not acceptable to me. In contrast, the NDX2/SN3 worked really well with the Tablette 10s. The Nova is excellent with the right speakers, and it’s essential that you try it with yours.

The Atom HE is an interesting one. If you plan to use it with the NC 250 it will be virtually as good as a bare 222, for well under half the price. The 222 comes into its own and really rises above the HE when you add an NPX300 power supply. If you don’t plan to do that you can stick with the HE. It and the NC 250 are a very credible system.

As you may work out, I’ve had the NDX2/SN3 and a Nova. I used the Nova with PMC twenty5.21i speakers. Just over a year ago I swapped the Nova for an HE and converted the speakers to active. It’s way better and actually costs less. I’m sure you like your ProAcs but if you are up for a change then the HE and actives make for a heck of a good system, with a small footprint and an affordable price tag.

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Thanks for your opinions on my considerations. Great to hear from someone’s personal experiences with some of this gear. :folded_hands:

Does anyone else here have an opinion, or ideally firsthand experience, of the Uniti Nova - esp with regards to speaker pairing? Would love to hear what others think on this topic.

Thanks!

Yes, the Nova is very good when matched with the right speaker, I recall giving HH this advice initially before he changed speakers. Adding a sub is nice and easy too, which can add quite a bit when tuned in well.

Back to your original question - we have the same issue here in New Zealand with a collapse in local Naim representation and servicing. My advice would be to just use a local reputable hi-fi servicing shop to do it. The need for servicing by Naim is a bit overrated in my opinion for most gear, it’s mostly straightforward stuff and parts are readily available from manufacturers. Worth a chat with a local shop at least. If you keep this gear, swapping out the NDX for a NDX2 would be quite a bit better than a Nova.

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Hi Dan,

I’ll share my two cents. I have a lot of gear that has been restored by AV Options (52/supercap/250, chrome bumper 32.5/hicap/250, chrome bumper Nait 2), along with a Nait 50 and ProAc Tablet 10s. I have also had a Supernait 3 and an NDX2, and have had a couple pieces serviced by Focal North America.

First, you have a great system. It’s classic, and very worthy of service as Richard says. Since your olive gear has gone 25 years without service, I think you would be surprised and probably delighted to hear the improvements it would bring.

If you have gone 25 years without an urge to try other gear, I would strongly suggest getting it serviced. Switching to other products even within the Naim family opens you up to a potentially long and winding road to finding satisfaction elsewhere. And, if you sell your system and have regrets later on, it’s rare enough that you would struggle to re-acquire it. You just don’t see 82/hicap/180 units come up for sale very often in the U.S.

Personally, I would get it serviced with AV Options or not at all. They are the gold standard. You can feel confident it would come back as good or better than when it left the factory. With cost as a potential concern, I would start with the 180 and spread out the 82/NAPSC and Hicap over the next couple years as needed. They would probably not charge you the full list price either, for what it’s worth.

That said, if the cost is just too steep, I think the Supernait 3 would be the most logical move. You could acquire a good one for ~$3,500, and probably raise ~$2,000 - 2,500 from selling your 82/hicap/180. The sound has similar characteristics to the olive range. I’m sure you would recognize it sonically. And, it has a good headphone jack.

I would deal with your source separately, and keep it separate from the amps, i.e. avoid a one box solution. The technology is moving so quickly it would be a shame to spend a lot on a box only to see the entire investment rendered obsolete +5 years down the line. The Supernait 3 should still be making music in 25 years.

If you’re happy with the sound of the NDX, leave it. If you need more streaming functionality, then try an NDX2.

If feel you must address the source right now and funds are too tight to do that in addition to addressing the amps, you might consider a Nait 50. You could probably acquire a brand new one for just $1,500 - 2,000. It is outstanding. For what it’s worth, I kept my Nait 50 but not the Supernait 3 if that says anything. You would probably feel very familiar with the sound. It has a good headphone jack. The only drawbacks in my opinion are less power than the 82/hicap/180, and no remote - but I deal with that by turning up the volume to 9 o’clock and managing the signal output from the ND5 XS2 streamer through the Naim app. I assume it’s powerful enough to drive your ProAcs, but maybe someone with direct experience with those speakers can chime in.

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I thought it was a universally held view that sound quality suffers badly in this mode.

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Interesting. I can’t say I have noticed that with any of the Naim streamers or Innuos streamers I have had.

A few years back I ran two Nova systems, one with PMC Twenty5 23 and the other with Spendor A4. I thought both were a good match for the Nova.

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Is the volume being changed via the variable output on ND5XS2?

Yes

I’d try fixed output and change volume in amp - see what you find …

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I would be tempted to speak to AV options and see if they can offer you a serviced 52 Supercap 250 or 2 x 135s. Maybe cheaper than having your kit serviced. See what trade in deal they can do. Or get them serviced by them.

Yes they are expensive but where you live that’s the best option.

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Services I expect (and get) from my dealer:

  • Comparative demonstrations
  • Delivery, installation, and setup
  • Post-sales support

I don’t pay a premium for these services because the type of specialist audio equipment I’m interested in isn’t available cheaper elsewhere. And I’m not prepared to order a bunch of products online with a view to comparing them at home and then returning them apart from the ones I want to keep just to deny a dealer their margin because I’ve got a bee in my bonnet about the probity of hi-fi dealers. (I’ve seen that suggestion elsewhere on this forum.)

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Thanks for your input here, Mike - much appreciated. My NAP180 needing repair has opened a real can of worms for me. Before this happened I wasn’t even thinking about changing anything! I’m genuinely concerned about having to spend potentially thousands recapping everything - without gaining any of the modern functionality that’s now available. We live in a different house in LA now - which is bigger and has more multi-room spaces. Even my wife enjoys using Sonos capabilities around the house, so we’re just living in a different way to when we were in London.

Consequently, my first choice solution was SN3 with an NDX2, IF I can find a pair within my current budget - which I hadn’t planned for. Failing that, I would just have to swallow some regression on overall quality, and pick up a pre-loved Nova. My only further concern with a Nova is the speaker matching; as it has been raised here already and feels like it could be pivotal. My ProAc Response 1s pair aren’t especially hard to drive, and I believe the Nova has 80W per channel. Or is it not that simple?

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Hi Snarfy,

First of all, thanks for your opinions on these challenges. I’ve provided many of my thoughts and feelings on points raised in my response to Mike. But would add, your suggestion about reaching out to AV Options to explore what avenues can be explored there, is really helpful. So this is something I will absolutely look into.

Dan

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Hi,

Thanks for your feedback. I plan on listening to my preferred solutions - with my ProAcs; as I firmly believe that’s the best method to establish if any setup will satisfy my listening requirements. Can you please expand on what else I may need to consider - when speaker matching with something like a Nova? The ProAcs are bookshelf models and don’t have a particularly low impedance rating.

Thanks,

Dan

One other point I forgot to raise. I appreciate the NDX2 would be a superior component - when compared to a one-box solution like a Nova. But in terms of functionality, do you think the NDX2 and Nova offer similar levels of streaming functionality? I’m a little apprehensive about shelling out for an NDX2, to find in 3-5yrs it’s slowly becoming obsolete.

Thanks Again,

Dan

The Nova was released some time before the NDX2, but their streaming functionality is pretty much identical. They use streaming board as each other, which is still used in the current Naim streamers such as the 333.

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I have never used a Nova so would defer to ChrisSU and others. Personally, I would be more worried about obsolescence with a one box product like the Nova than a standalone streamer like the NDX2. If the streaming section of the Nova becomes obsolete at some point you can’t jettison it from the amps, like a rocket jettisons a spent booster stage!

Further to the point, I prefer to even have a separate streamer and DAC because my perception is the DACs have a longer useful life. DACs seem to hold their value for much longer as a result. If you don’t mind the extra box, an Innuos Pulse Mini with a Chord DAC like a Qutest or TT2 would be excellent.

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