dCS Bartok as a one box solution

I was not saying that there are no DCS users with Naim, just doubting about the so numerous Rossini owners you were referring. The Rossini users have normally 500 series Naim electronics. However I see maybe 15 Nd555 owners here, and two, now three Rossini.
Yes, you are right, I am not a great DCS fan. But it’s not the point.
The point is that you are banging, you and Dunc, in a lot of posts, the immense superiority of DCS vs Naim as a fact or absolute truth.
It’s just a matter of taste.
Recently a full Statement owner posted his preference on CD555 vs full Vivaldi stack he owns too. Other prefer Chord Dave/ Mscaler.
Saying his own preference and saying one is really much superior vs another is very different.

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Not me - don’t own a ND555 - never did.
After CD5-CDX2-CDS3-CD555 ownership I left Naim digital during the times of HDX (disaster?) and moved to Linn. Gilad kept me happy for 10 years.
Maybe you are a bit sensitive? One could say you keep on banging on about Naim.
Just saying
To each his own - chocolate or vanilla - as long as you enjoy your gelato.

Cheers

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However I am in the Naim forum, because of my preference, in general, to Naim.
If not, I would have more pleasure to share in another forum, be it Devialet, PS audio, DCS …if my preference was that brand.
But I understand you, as both Naim and DCS owner. Just don’t share the « superiority or another league « characteristics I tend to read often recently.

Never did - your interpretation. Please do show me in my previous post where I said that.

As I said - maybe a bit too sensitive?

I’m done - have a good evening

It’s more a general impression, and not related specifically to you.
Sorry, but time to go bed for me. The family Christmas day exhausted me a bit, impatient to be in January.
Nothing against you, I gave only my sensitivity impressions, nothing important in fact, after all.
The most important is that we share a common passion, better focus on that.

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I know of quite a few owners, most dont bother with forum’s and most don’t own any naim gear, most it seems move on to different amps, like consolation etc.
But there are a few like Gregg and myself that have kept the naim amp set up, but a lot of DCS owners dont use pre amps.
A dealer i know, can’t say his name, but the rossini is his best selling dac, had quite a few nd555 owners swap, and quite a few others go away with the DCS, when like me they had gone in to demo the naim.
Most people are blown away with the rossini and clock set up, but then digital is all they do, so it should be good.
No need to go over it all again, you obviously hate dcs, as you always try and knock it, and love the nds, fine, its a naim forum after all lol.
I also loved my nds and twin power supplies, its a great bit of gear still, its just that i wanted more than it could offer and luckily for me, found it all and more in the DCS products.

Anyway happy Christmas all.

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Slightly belatedly, thank you for your kind Christmas wishes. Season’s Greetings to you too and all best wishes for the New Year.

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most it seems move on to different amps, like consolation

Never mind, hopefully one day they can return to amps which make them happy… :joy:

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As I responded to Glevethan above, it’s nothing to do with hating or not hating DCS dacs.
For now I have never be involved with them, be it on Solution electronics, straight into an amp I don’t remember, with Vitus, and Supernait 2.
But I stay open mind and would one day listen to a Rossini with 500 series.
What bothers me is that you are convinced that it’s definitely better and on another league than Nd555, and very very often.
I don’t agree with that, think it’s more a matter of taste. I heard the Nd555 on 500 amps this year and it was one of the best sound I could listen to since 20 years.
A more modern and detailed dac doesn’t mean it’s better. Because outside resolution, there is musicality, the ability to show the intention of the players, their relationships, and the whole reason of the playing. And that, Naim achieved it better than DCS, in my opinion of course.

I wish you enjoyable Christmas time.

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Its all a matter of taste isn’t it, but if you want the naim prat and musically sound, but with more detail, wider open sound then the rossini plus clock offers this, obviously you need a system to match it, to get this, but i feel the description, all that the best bits the nd555 has to offer and the chord dave together, sums it up well, in a way most will understand.
For me it was simply stunning compared to the nd555, with was nice but didn’t make me want to own it, while i just couldn’t get the dcs out my head, it was one of them moments

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I believe the “secret sauce” is the Naim 552/500 bringing their fair share of PRAT to the proceedings. I found this to be the case when I moved from a CD555 to my Linn KDS. With the 552/500 fronting the Linn nothing missed a beat.

I am building out a second system and expect the same thing to occur. I just had a Nait 2 rebuilt by AVOptions and plan on fronting it with a Chord Qutest. Right now the KDS is acting as a source and the Nait 2 is simply a PRAT machine. I fully expect the Qutest to give no problems at all and the Nait2/Chord combination will shine.

Best
Gregg

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Just as you think it is a matter of taste - and you are well entitled to your opinion - please be respectful of the fact that for others it may not be a matter of taste but rather one of absolutes- and they are entitled to think and publicly state that they find it simply - superior and better.

It is not my or your place to criticize their statement or opinion.

Absolutes and better exist in the Naim world as well. My opinion is that a 552 is not simply a matter of taste when compared to the next pre down the 252. For me, in my opinion , it is simply and fundamently - better.

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Hi FR, have you actually heard a DCS Rossini with the external clock?
You keep repeating your assertion about the lack of musicality or emotional involvement, yet to the best of my knowledge you have only ever heard the bare Rossini.

Like you, I find the bare Rossini to be massively resolving, yet uninvolving.
However, fit the clock and it becomes a completely different beast.
It’s a similar scale of change to these cloth ears to how a Naim source (e.g. CDX2)changes when an external power supply is added.

Merry Christmas, BF

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I have the right to disagree, don’t think the Rossini is superior. And probably a great majority of Nd555 owners here, who have very probably heard other dacs before investing in such an expensive streamer, specially with a second ps.
Sorry, but i can’t respect opinions that state as absolute. It’s the problem here.
Matter of taste, yes.

I heard for now DCS sources in 4 occasions, in different systems and electronics. For now I was not emotionally involved.
It was Puccini, Rossini bare, top DCS before Vivaldi in 2 top systems.
But unfortunately not with Naim 500 series.

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But not a Rossini with external clock.

Not.
And I stay with the possibility that It may pleases me with Naim.
However all the discussions above was about stating that DCS is superior, like a fact and something we can’t refute. Only that point on which I disagree.
As for DCS, I will one day hear it in London, maybe this year or another. The sister of my wife leaves in the area.
I love London, the coffee shops, audio dealers, lp dealers…I will come back.

All kidding aside - and a serious question. With all of the other threads on the Naim forum why do you choose to participate in this one - titled Bartok - if you do not like dCS product?
Once again a serious question and not looking to offend - it just seems that you only have negative comments to add.
Just saying and trying to understand.

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I participate because I am on the Naim forum. I just defend the Naim source I cherish, more than Naim electronics also. But stay open on the possibility to listen to Rossini / clock with 500 series, which I don’t think it’s a negative and closed comment.
Maybe we can close the discussion now, all was said, at least from my side.

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Agreed that this has run its course

Did not know it was necessary to “defend” one’s source.

A strange concept if you ask me - but then again after close to 20 years of participation on this forum I have seen stranger things.

Time to listen to some music.
Best holiday wishes to all

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