Do You Like Bass - Deep Bass & Texture?

Deep Bass & Texture
( An entertaining read and playlist to explore)

Have a confession. I like bass. Always have done.
I’m not thinking about the loud stuff, maybe more nuanced, or textured material.

My favourite instrument is the Cello.
Also the Piano, Double Bass, Saxophone, other acoustic instruments that create more living, breathing notes.

What do I mean by bass, well maybe 0-250Hz ???

So often, I find myself following the double bass, or the electric bass, or the kick drum, or maybe the rhythm of a synth’ bass note, in electronic music.

It’s maybe here, in the lower register, that audio systems are laid bare for what they can do, with these notes. To reproduce such notes with accuracy, the leading edge, the actual note itself, any timbre present, the decay of the instrument, etc, etc.

  1. The Tenor Saxophone plays down to 104 Hz, whilst Baritone goes down to 65Hz

  2. The Cello plays down to 65.41Hz, which corresponds to the open C string

  3. The Double Bass plays down to 41.2Hz, which is typically E1 on the open B string

  4. The Piano plays down to 27.5Hz, ( that’s the key AO on an 88 key piano)

Although, for piano, the “presence” of this lower register, is less pronounced ?

The lowest piano notes lack the “slam” or “punch” of other bass instruments because of their timbre (lack of strong fundamental, overabundance of muddy harmonics), the physical limitations of hitting a very thick string, and how humans perceive low-frequency sound energy?

Instruments that produce fundamental frequencies or significant energy in the sub-bass range of 20–30 Hz are limited to specialised, very low-pitched acoustic instruments, electronic synthesizers, and massive percussive elements. These frequencies are often felt more than heard, creating a powerful, vibrating, or “rumbling” sensation.

You get the idea…

Moving on…

We’ve recently completed an audio system and listening room - our system two ( see bio) - now there is just the music to enjoy. So, we have been enjoying so much music in recent months.

Over recent years, I’ve been listening to a lot of experimental, electronic, dance, even dubstep. As well as jazz, modern jazz, jazz fusion. A lot of this, maybe more contemporary.

With all this fabulous “new-to-us” Naim kit, we have discovered a few pieces of music specifically to showcase what all the boxes can do. What can external power supplies - for source and pre-amplifier - also active version of loudspeakers - what value might this add ?

Massive reserves of current on tap, to control huge movements of energy in the sound waves.

Here is a curated Deep Bass & Texture playlist based on our sessions.
These tracks were specifically discovered and chosen to leverage the nDAC / 555 PS DR resolution, NAC282 / SuperCap DR finesse and the Active PMC control.

The “Sublime & Velvety” Selection

  • Dominique Fils-Aimé – Birds (For 3D vocal space and subterranean double bass)
  • Gretchen Parlato – Holding Back the Years (For that “velvety” vocal and melodic electric bass)
  • Maribou State (feat. Holly Walker) – Steal (For the “low low” bass entry and soulful build)
  • Maribou State – Wallflower (Specifically for the “drop” at the end to test the Active grip)
  • Jordan Rakei – Tawo (For the syncopated layers and double-tracked vocal textures)
  • Meshell Ndegeocello – Beautiful (For a natural, simple arrangement with world-class bass guitar)

The “Hypnotic & Layered” Selection

  • Portico Quartet – Ruins (For the signature Wyllie sax over melodic Hang-drum rhythms)
  • Bonobo – Rosewood (For the hypnotic, building dance vibe and rhythmic bass)
  • GoGo Penguin – Protest (For the steady, deep synth-bass pulse and piano clarity)
  • Mammal Hands – KandaIKI (For the captivating percussive drive and running sax)
  • Matthew Halsall – The Sun in September (For the spiritual, “cool” arrangement and trumpet textures)
  • Grandbrothers – Bloodflow (For the “organic-meets-digital” piano pulse and deep low-end)

The “Bone Shaker” Selection

Perhaps saving the most interesting or “intriguing” pieces, (for bass), until last …

  • Maribou State - Wallflower : (Specifically for the “drop” at the end to test the speakers ability to grip bass notes, in our case the “Active” grip)

The reason Wallflower feels like maybe the deepest bass, is in the production; they use pure sine-wave sub-bass beneath those organic samples. Our Active PMC Twenty5.23i speakers are actually reproducing it. The Advanced Transmission Line (ATL) allows a relatively small cabinet to act like a much larger lung, moving the air in the room without the “chuffing” of a ported speaker.

  • James Blake – Limit To Your Love: (It starts with a simple piano and vocal, but when the sub-bass wobble hits, it will test if your floorboards are properly nailed down).

James Blake is a fascinating artist, because he perfectly bridges the gap between soulful, fragile vocals and pioneering electronic bass. Such a challenging musical balance.

I’ve since discovered this track is a legendary “system killer” for a reason; with capable speakers, it ceases to be a song and becomes a physical event.

The sub bass has a shape. Ideally, you can hear the note shift and “wobble”.

That “wobble” is a legendary rite of passage for any high-end system! On our Active PMCs, it isn’t just be a sound; it should feel like the air in the room is physically changing shape. It’s likely that the Naim 555 PS DR is what keeps that sub-bass from turning into a one-note “thump,” allowing the nDAC to resolve the actual pitch within the vibration.

The Naim 555 PS DR is the secret weapon —it provides the massive, instantaneous current the nDAC needs to define those sub-bass “wobbles” as actual notes rather than just a generic roar. On the Active PMC Twenty5.23i, you aren’t just hearing the bass; you are hearing the Active Upgrade Kit exerting total electrical “grip” over the drivers to stop them from blurring into the next frequency.

Let me know what you think - for any of these tracks - or maybe just the James Blake piece ?

Happy listening
Enjoy

R

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Interesting post. I have a lot of the tracks listed, but added a few more to check out - thanks.

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Love subbass. For a real system test - tougher even than James Blake’s legendary sub track - try Jungle is a Shapeshifter by Prurient. On many systems, even big speakers, it’s almost inaudible. But on a really well set up system with subs, it moves the air in the room like you wouldn’t believe. When auditioning the ATC SCM40s at a dealership recently, they were boasting of how low they go, so we put that on - and they said the track clearly wasn’t as bass heavy as I thought. So we then put it on their £100k PMC towers and it almost caved their roof in!

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Nice story :+1:

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Love my bass, but it’s got to be quality, not just quantity. I almost get more pleasure out of soft quiet (sub) bass than anything else.

Here are some lovely moments:

Electronic:

  • Enya, Watermark, tracks 1 or 10.
  • Mike Oldfield, Songs of Distant Earth, track 12

Acoustic bass:

  • Jacques Loussier, The Bach Book, pretty much any track!

Organ:

  • A Celebration of Herbert Howells, King’s/Cleobury, track 4, 5:53.
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I’ll add “There’s a train that leaves tonight” by Mary Black - from the album Without the Fanfare.

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@ratrat Excellent post, I look forward to playing some of those tracks later!

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Wow just listened to this and think I need to replace the spotlight fittings! Great post @ratrat seems we share similar music tastes. Likely down to the bass!

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Is it OK to say I really don’t like heavy bass? Maybe in the cinema a bit, definitely not at home.

I am loving the enthusiasm on this thread but for me chest shaking bass is ‘amusing’ but generally intrusive. I like my music lean and fast, with just enough bass texture.

Interesting isn’t it? Maybe explains why I loved SBL and now SL2, and also the Grado HP100SE headphones. Why my little sub in the office system is turned way down (yet still effective)

Anyway carry on without me bass heads!

Bruce

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Have a listen to Under the Strikes by Yannis and the Yaw and Tony Allen. Really enjoyable bass that changes character a couple of times.

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Sure, why not ?
Music - musical taste - is such a personal thing.

I think these things work on at least two levels : (1) musical taste, which is personal ; (2) technical, that is, it’s a nice experiment for your system and to explore - listening - what different boxes and/or speakers do within any given room.

The play list was intended to entertain on both levels

Okay, sure - me too - there are a few tracks that might appeal in the list, try “Sublime & Velvety”, maybe start with the “Birds” or “Holding back the years”

Happy listening
R

Rag ‘n’ Bone Man - Human.

Seismic bass aplenty on Rory’s first album.

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Would add eg Rhythm & Sound for some v deep bass.

On the classical side, Mozart’s Mass in C Minor has a lot of deep bass natural reverb which subs can really bring out - of which, Jordi Savall’s recent recording is a great example.

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Interesting and not something I’ve ever considered specifically. Always nice to have some new tunes to try and also to listen to for specific characteristics. I might have to dust off my old 5.1 cinema system to give its sub a workout for comparison.

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I think you’ll like Everyday by The Cinematic Orchestra

I also like the bass in In Our Gun by Gomez.

And Angel by Massive Attack

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Sure. Angel is already a big favourite of mine.
TBH, nearly added Massive Attack “Angels” to the playlist.

Only reason it didn’t make it onto the playlist is dates. Angel was 1998 and I tried to keep everything post 2000. Contemporary.

Absolutely love the double bass work in “Everyday”, especially the opening minute or so, which is solo double bass. That’s definitely my “cup of tea”. Very much what I’m listening to and enjoying, ( in the current phase). I’ll have to look into The Cinema Orchestra. Thanks.

Happy listening
R

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Really enjoyed “Under the Strikes”.
Apparently, the bass notes are played by Ludovic Bruni on an electric bass.

The bass notes shuffle alongside the saxophone. I thought was a really clever arrangement. The percussion is simply mesmerising. But, maybe you’d expect that knowing the pedigree of the drummer(s) ?

In fact, enjoyed the whole album Lagos Paris London. ( At just 5 tracks, would you call it an EP )
Worked out the connection with Foals, who are much loved and played a lot, in our house.

As an aside from deep bass & texture - Track 5 - Clementine - got our attention. Sounds bit like Foals doing jazz funk. We’re likely to play that one to death, now we’ve found this catchy upbeat song.

Thanks for introducing this super album.

BW
R

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Oh dear.
I see, ( I mean, I hear, more likely feel), what you mean.

BW
R

I really like it when there is deep bass in music. I’m not sure if my like come originally from being in a cathedral and feeling the pipe organ bottom end do its wonderful thing, or from my first hifi system, at that point not finished but with the speaker drivers positioned in an easy chair with cushions around to form an enclosure, producing gut pummelling and trouser flapping air movement that I had never heard from any ‘record player’ before. It must not be wallowy when the source is not, though extended pedal bass notes, as used in some prog rock for example, just like the cathedral organ don’t themselves have a sharp cut-off. I find that with some music the low bass really underpins the music in a way that adds greatly to the emotion, and hearing the without can be quite disappointing.

Unfortunately speakers that can do low bass are inherently big and expensive: for anyone happy to forgo the delights of true bass, a small speaker of the same overall sound quality in the upper ranges can cost a lot less, but having enjoyed proper bass I could never be satisfied without. I do find it bemusing when sometimes people praise the bass from speakers that simply don’t go low, only capable of reproducing the harmonics of lowest notes - clearly said people can’t have heard proper bass.

I don’t think of cello or even tenor sax as doing bass. Different with double bass and electric guitar, with bass commonly going down to 41.2 Hz (E1), though not uncommonly are tuned lower (or have a 5th, lower string), going down to 30.9 Hz (B0). Piano’s bottom note at 27.5 Hz is pretty low, but in my experience rarely heard as the fundamental. However organ and bass pedals fill in where others leave off… bass also adds to the punch of bass drums, and sometimes to ambience in live recordings.

Yes, I like bass!!

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I have a list of bass testers I would like to share. Mainly very deep bass, with some percussion, synth and acoustic instrumentation. Some have been mentioned already. The test for me is the ability to clearly differentiate instruments from each other by position, timbre, harmonics etc so it is not just a sludgy mess.

I use a subwoofer in a stereo system to help with these bass tracks and optimal positioning using a microphone and REW has taken me ages and is still ongoing!

Steely Dan – Gaslighting Abbie. For the punchy deep kick drum and the 5 string bass tone

Carolin No – Crystal Ball. Synth version - really deep synth tones

London Grammar – Hey Now. Sorry! It has some really deep tones.

Ahmet Turun Uluç – Bas Gitar Drum improvisation. Phenomenal!

Marcus Miller – Trip Trap

Dominique Fils-Aimé – Where there is smoke. Bowed double bass with B string

Fink – Trouble’s what you’re in (Live from Union Chapel, London) Amplified Acoustic guitar percussion noises

Beyoncé – Partition

Chris Stapleton – Death Row

Yosi Horikowa – Bubbles

Stanley Clarke – Justice’s Groove

Massive Attack – Unfinished Sympathy

Any Bela Fleck with Victor Wooton

Ibeyi – River

Jennifer Warnes – Way Down Deep

Youssou N’Dour – Xale. For the doubled bowed cello and double bass.

Mussorgsky – Pictures at an Exhibition arranged for Organ performed by Jean Gillou

There are more, especially Hans Zimmer soundtracks, but that will do for know.

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