# Ethernet Switch and Cables Mania **URL:** \ **Category:** Streaming Audio\ **Created:** [October 3, 2019, 11:28am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385 "2019-10-03T11:28:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 327
**Author:** ![Don](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/don/32/681_2.png) [@Don](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Don)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:32pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7056 "2020-03-24T23:32:22Z")
Hi IB, When did Richard ban the use of “bou\*\*que” in this thread ? Simple post number will be enough, otherwise it’s a bit of a drag searching 6539 posts ! ---
**Author:** ![Mike-B](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/mike-b/32/295344_2.png) [@Mike-B](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Mike-B)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:35pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7057 "2020-03-24T23:35:23Z")
> [@Don](#): > > When did Richard ban the use of “bou\*\*que” in this thread ? He didn’t, the self proclaimed thread owner did. ---
**Author:** ![frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/frenchrooster/32/492688_2.png) [@frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/frenchrooster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:36pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7058 "2020-03-24T23:36:26Z")
Yes, I didn’t understood too , regardless of the independent clock. I have often read that switches can be uplifted with an external clock. However all this begins to be expensive. For now I am waiting my ER and Farad ps. But curious on these clocks. I am sure that the same as often members will laugh at this. I will not stop my curiosity. A lot of forums report the benefit of external clock for Ethernet switches. ---
**Author:** ![frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/frenchrooster/32/492688_2.png) [@frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/frenchrooster)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7059 "2020-03-24T23:40:12Z")
Some are waiting that you come back @Peder. But better no worth for now. Keep your energy for more important things. And keep safe. ---
**Author:** ![Innocent\_Bystander](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/innocent_bystander/32/192292_2.png) [@Innocent\_Bystander](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Innocent_Bystander)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:40pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7060 "2020-03-24T23:40:58Z")
Hi Don, Indeed as Mike-B said - and he was rather, erm, insistent… I’m sure a search for boutique on the forum would find sone of it. ---
**Author:** ![Innocent\_Bystander](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/innocent_bystander/32/192292_2.png) [@Innocent\_Bystander](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Innocent_Bystander)\ **Post date:** [March 24, 2020, 11:42pm UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7061 "2020-03-24T23:42:29Z")
> [@frenchrooster](#): > > And keep safe. Yes, indeed, that to all. ---
**Author:** ![marcusman](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/marcusman/32/192287_2.png) [@marcusman](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/marcusman)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 1:59am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7062 "2020-03-25T01:59:31Z")
Yes be Safe to everyone! ---
**Author:** ![opus](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/opus/32/217708_2.png) [@opus](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/opus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:08am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7063 "2020-03-25T02:08:01Z")
Here’s my question. Hope one of you ace networkers can answer. I have a Synology NAS DS214play. I run AQ Vodka from it to my Asus Wifi Router. My front end is Auralic Aries G1. I have it running wireless on 5g band , It’s rock stable. Auralic actually recommends Wireless since it avoids cables etc , any reason to add a Cisco? ---
**Author:** ![marcusman](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/marcusman/32/192287_2.png) [@marcusman](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/marcusman)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:13am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7064 "2020-03-25T02:13:31Z")
I’m no expert and it’s likely discussed in this thread (somewhere) but I wouldn’t. I think nowadays if your Wireless is all sorted out you don’t need the Cisco router unless you need it for other things. The good thing about it is it won’t do any harm. ---
**Author:** ![frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/frenchrooster/32/492688_2.png) [@frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/frenchrooster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 2:54am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7065 "2020-03-25T02:54:42Z")
To be sure I would try if I were you. You can buy a Cisco for a price of 4 Marlboro packets . So you will not loose much. Add just another Marlboro to have a 1m blue jeans cat 6a. ---
**Author:** ![opus](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/opus/32/217708_2.png) [@opus](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/opus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7066 "2020-03-25T03:18:57Z")
@frenchrooster Well since I’m a Lung Cancer survivor, and an ex-40 year smoker I think I’ll pass. Smoking is by far the worst thing you can do to your health. I’m extremely lucky to be here today. Caught early and great Doctors. PS: as an ex smoker I now realize how eff’ing nasty a habit it is. ---
**Author:** ![frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/frenchrooster/32/492688_2.png) [@frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/frenchrooster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7067 "2020-03-25T03:21:10Z")
I understand ---
**Author:** ![opus](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/opus/32/217708_2.png) [@opus](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/opus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:28am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7068 "2020-03-25T03:28:07Z")
And I’m not trying to be a d..k towards you rooster 👍 ---
**Author:** ![frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/frenchrooster/32/492688_2.png) [@frenchrooster](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/frenchrooster)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:33am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7069 "2020-03-25T03:33:41Z")
I changed my profile to laugh a bit on the trust level thread. I proclaimed myself expert 🤩 I smoked myself during 30 years. I was more lucky than you… I am vaping now. What means d…k? ---
**Author:** ![marcusman](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/marcusman/32/192287_2.png) [@marcusman](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/marcusman)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 3:44am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7070 "2020-03-25T03:44:14Z")
Be extra diligent with avoiding Covid-19 as an ex-smoker. ---
**Author:** ![opus](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/opus/32/217708_2.png) [@opus](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/opus)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 4:43am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7071 "2020-03-25T04:43:17Z")
Male Appendage ---
**Author:** ![MidnightRambler](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/midnightrambler/32/47689_2.png) [@MidnightRambler](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/MidnightRambler)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:09am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7072 "2020-03-25T08:09:37Z")
Hi Michaelb Sorry, to clarify: The use of external clock made the Sean Jacobs power supply on the switch less of an upgrade. I presume his PS improved the internal clock. ---
**Author:** ![Simon-in-Suffolk](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/simon-in-suffolk/32/130_2.png) [@Simon-in-Suffolk](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Simon-in-Suffolk)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:19am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7073 "2020-03-25T08:19:24Z")
I believe you may be discombobulating those two aspects Data integrity in computer and data networks is about maintaining the encoded information without it being corrupted or changed. Network protocols based on TCP/IP are very robust and are designed to be able to maintain data integrity over very unreliable networks… so the use case is trivial on most home networks. Noise coupling, through physical couplings, electromagnetic coupling is about the interaction of external or indirect effects on a system causing perturbations or if extreme malfunction. Examples of such interactions is the cause of intermodulation distortions and ground plane modulations. These perturbations rarely have any direct effect on the information contained with the integrity of the dataencodings and not related to the Ethernet protocol itself ---
**Author:** ![Michaelb](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/michaelb/32/192663_2.png) [@Michaelb](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Michaelb)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:35am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7074 "2020-03-25T08:35:48Z")
Thanks. Understand now. Well, the PSU is on order now anyway. The biggest problem with the Mutec would be where to put it. At least the SOTM is relatively small… ---
**Author:** ![Thomas](https://community.naimaudio.com/user_avatar/community.naimaudio.com/thomas/32/319_2.png) [@Thomas](https://community.naimaudio.com/u/Thomas)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2020, 8:54am UTC](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385/7075 "2020-03-25T08:54:45Z")
> [@frenchrooster](#): > > If the drop in noise give better sound, with more textures and openness, better defined instruments, is it not a relationship between data integrity and noise , in the Ethernet chain ? Data integrity is **always** guaranteed, whatever the quality of the switch. Communication between server (your Melco) and the client (NDS) is provided by TCP/IP over Ethernet. No data loss. This works the same way as computer/pad (client) and the Naim forum (server) : it uses TCP/IP. No data loss. _Boutique_ cables and _boutique_ switches goal is not transferring data more reliably. The cheapest cables and switches can do the exact same job as reliably. Those expensive cables/switches provide some kind of noise shaping (and each one in its own way, which includes clocks regularity) and this is very environment and system dependent. [Previous page](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385.md?page=326) [Next page](https://community.naimaudio.com/t/ethernet-switch-and-cables-mania/4385.md?page=328)