Garrard 401

So later this year I intend to upgrade my turntable.

One that I v much love is the aesthetics of the garrard 401 (partly inspired by Pictures from @Richard.Dane and @jodl

However, apart from a wonderful design (to my eyes), I know little about them. I am sure there are technically better TTs, but I am also sure they are good enough (and the aesthetics make up for that)

I’m going to try and find a good s/h one

So I’d welcome some thgts/advice from current and previous owners on

-issues with the TT
-what to look for when buying/sourcing
-the importance of plinth (size and materials)
-optimum arm
-good phono match
-ongoing maintenance (do they need regularly servicing etc)
-positioning (are they temperamental?)

Any other thgts you may have (not you should get a Rega/LP12/etc etc please)

Thanks all

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Straydog, I’ve had a few 401s through my hands. The first one was a fairly late one (raised ‘always on’ strobe, flat name plate) but I think I got lucky as it was a really good one. You want to ensure that the idler wheel is in good condition and that the eddy brake disc is not damaged in any way. I would steer clear of any that have had dubious modifications such as ceramic bearing thrust pass etc.. as these can actually cause damage to the bearing. And on the subject of the bearing that’s another critical area to be sure it’s not worn or damaged.

My most recent 401 was a very early one with flush strobe, a 50th birthday present to myself and was a completely nut and bolt rebuilt one from Peak Hifi. They even re-painted it and managed two get the colour just right, except to a much higher standard than when Garrard did them back in the day.

If you want an easy way in then I can highly recommend going this route. A number of companies rebuild them to a very high standard, including Peak Hifi, Audio Grail etc.. As ever though, just be a bit circumspect about going for any modifications.

As for a plinth, mine is in a Loricraft French Walnut one. It has a thick ply top plate suspended by squash balls. This works really well. Just be sure not to over tighten the deck to the top plate as this can ruin the sound. Unfortunately Loricraft is no longer Terry, Nigel et al. so you would be looking at either second-hand or a copy. Just know that the Aro arm base was a one-off stainless machining by Nigel so probably not so easy to find these days, but possible to get done if you know someone who can do it for you.

There’s a ton of info out there on the web, so have a read, and bear in mind that what Terry and Nigel at Loricraft didn’t know about the Garrards probably isn’t worth knowing…

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When i was 16 in 1974 i bought a 401 complete with SME 3009 arm…it was my dream deck at the time along with my dream arm. Over a period of time (think months, not years), i came to hate it with a vengeance. It had cost me so much money, i bought it blind with out listening to it. I came to hate the rumble, wow and flutter and the inaccuracy of the strobe. All in all i actually missed the SP25 that it replaced. The dealer agreed to take it back and we did a deal for a Technics SL150 and move the arm to the 150. I kept the 150 and arm until i bought my current Orbe and SME V.
Don’t do it, it will be a money pit and will never give you satisfaction. If all you want to do is look at at it, go ahead.

Thanks Richard much appreciated, great insight

Atb

Tom

Thanks Kitfit, all insight welcome.

About 1972,I bought a brand new 401 for £25,and an SME series 2 for about the same.
At the time,it was common knowledge that without the right plinth,they rumbled badly.
My plinth wasnt great,so I dont think I ever experienced what it could really do.
I cant remember much more after so long.

Straydog, I found a Word file which was my post from 15 years ago when I first got my Garrard 401 in the Loricraft plinth. It was on the old defunct forum so I’ll re-post it here as a interesting reference for you, and perhaps others;

Well, last month I finally received from Loricraft a new arm-base and top-plate so I could fit an Aro to the Garrard 401.

The arm-base is a beautifully machined block and complements the Aro very nicely. Also included was a small riser for the arm-rest, machined to match the arm-rest’s circumference perfectly.

The original top-plate was drilled for either an SME or Rega. The positioning for the Aro has to be different, so the old top-plate could not be used. Loricraft have been playing with the materials and mine would be one of the first to be made from ply rather than the earlier mdf. According to Nigel at Loricraft, there isn’t much of a performance difference between the two, but if pushed, he narrowly favours the ply. Reading between the lines, I decided that ply would be the way to go.

And so to the choice of colour… I knew I wanted something that would complement the French walnut, and had in my mind a colour that was used by BMC during the '60s. A sort of light greyish green that I believe is called “Almond” green. This caused some problems in matching and I have to admit, when I first opened the package to reveal the plinth, I was somewhat shocked. Hmmm… Jade?? Kermit green?? Aaargh!!

But I decided to give it a chance and see how it looked when mated with the walnut base. And I have to say, that now after a month or more, I have grown to like it very much. Phew…!

Although the 401 had been serviced not that long ago, I decided to double check the bearing (easy to do on the Garrard) and re-lubricate it all. Everything looked good as new, so no problems there. Garrard controls are very mechanical and somewhat clunky - think Lancaster bomber compared to Eurofighter - and so cleanliness, proper greasing and oiling is essential for smooth(ish) operation. Speed holds very well, although at the centre detent it’s a little fast. This is easily trimmed via the fine speed control. The fabulous strobe platter really makes this simple.

Before refitting the deck to the top plate, I had to sort out the Prefix. There’s plenty of space inside the plinth for this but I had to decide whether to keep it loose and suspended within some speaker foam or to attach it to the plinth or top-plate. In the end I decided on the latter, mainly because this avoids difficulty if you ever have to remove the top-plate. So I found a spot that would not foul the rubber suspension (squash anyone?) and decided to slightly decouple it by fitting some tap washers between the prefix bracket and the top-plate. The space was almost made for the Prefix and allowed a nice loop for the connector leads from the arm-base to the unit itself. The Loricraft plinth has a generously sized hole at the back that allows the Prefix’s SNAIC to exit without any fouling or snagging.
The arm-base is drilled to allow some minor adjustment to ensure correct cartridge alignment. Nigel had recommended that I don’t tighten up the retaining bolts too much, and in the end I settled on just nipping them up so the arm-base was secure.

The plinth is large - much larger than the LP12 - and so fitting it onto the Fraim presented a few issues. The feet on the plinth base were just outside the Fraim glass area. Rather than try and get a larger piece of glass made up, I decide to just relocate the feet closer together within the base. This seems to have worked fine, hasn’t had any detrimental effects as far as I know, and looks rather good too. In fact, the whole deck looks fabulous to my eyes. The Aro in particular seems so at home in a rather post-modern way. Many arms look rather incongruous and out of place on the Garrard – the modern SMEs in particular. However, with the Aro, if you squint it could be a period Decca, but in this case brought right up to date, and with a reputedly rather better performance!

And the result..? Well, anyone who tells you that Garrards are nasty, rumbly, grumbly dinosaurs really needs to hear this. So far I have used both my own Goldring-rebuilt Fidelity Research FR1 MkIII and a borrowed Ortofon SPU Royal N. Both of these have worked fabulously well. If I had to make a choice I would probably go for the SPU. It just seems to complement the package really well. It has a sublime midrange and it seems to work well with the strengths and weaknesses of the Garrard. Across the frequency range, the Garrards strengths are in the bass and midrange, the weakness in the very high treble, which seems just a little grainy with the FR. The SPU seems to cure all that at a stroke. The Garrard gives an incredible sense of security and solidity to the music. Rhythms are totally locked-in, with no sense of wavering. It’s almost like digital here, but without any of the digital drawbacks. Yes, with the SPU especially, it’s a bit of a romantic, but that’s what I love about it. It’s analog through and through. It is the very essence of what draws people to the sound of music played back on vinyl. The only bad news is that I think I’m going to have to spring for another SPU Royal N (they are no longer the grey-market bargain they were 4 or 5 years ago). It was made for this deck and arm.

So, I’m very happy. It has exceeded my expectations, and I haven’t even started experimenting with Loricraft options such as their cork mat (the standard mat was far the best of the others I tried so far), and at much greater cost, their PSU options. Maybe I can persuade somebody at the Naim factory to build me a special Armageddon…

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This is brilliant, thanks Richard. Lots to take in.

That TT is stunning

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It’s impressive how many companies are restoring the Garrard 401. Some cost more than 20 k. Better be well acknowledged before buying.

I found the OMA Garrard 401 restored. The plinth weighs 100 lbs.
Must be very expensive, as the OMA rig oil turntable cost around 450k.


Picture from Mono and Stereo.

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It was the deck I “lusted over” for many years in my yoof .

Hi @Straydog1 !

I´ve not much to ad to Richards comprehensive response.
You really should have someone who knows his/her way around with these antique drives - it´s not a diy job. It´s not easy to get them to be good sounding decks.

There are lots of easier ways to get a good sounding record player today.

If you get it right a restored Garrard can be high end and you have to fork out really big money to better it.

Randomly, while visiting London a few days ago, I briefly dropped in at PlayVinylDotLondon at Colombia flower market and there were some really nice and decent sounding restored Garrard 401s on display and one was playing. While not totally maxed out the deck sounded fine!

Wish you the best on your journey,

Jodl

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Thanks @jodl, yes agree with all that. Wouldn’t be something I would intend to put together myself. Thanks for tip on Columbia road, I’ll take a look, but I suspect peak hi fi may be the destination.

Yes loads of great TTs out there. However I also see a TT as furniture (it’s on show in our house). The Garrad is stunning. In the same way I would prefer a 70s Porsche to a modern one (noting that performance reliability would be deficient).

That’s a wonderful looking TT!

Always nice to see a DL103.

The one in the picture is a modified one from ESCO with a Paratrace stylus tip. There’s also a copper shim between cartridge body and head shell.