Has anything amusing ever happened to you in connection with a soakaway?

Hi @JimDog -

As I understand things, there are different varieties of clay in the UK and, IIRC, the worst is sometimes badged as ‘London clay’ (there are maps). And, yes, clay isn’t very permeable and retains moisture all year round (all that differs is the level of moisture, hence why with heavy clay** you can get material heave & slip - the former especially if you remove trees).

**the kind where the builder digs say a 1.5M deep trench and it fills with 500mm of ground water almost immediately!

A couple of my neighbours when building extensions have had to install concrete doughnut soakaways for their revised rainwater drainage and both had water in them when inspected by Building Control even though it hadn’t rained much. Both were passed as meeting reg’s.

I’m not sure on this but I think the road sewerage and rainwater drain systems (if you have separate runs?) are connected at some point, so a to allow overrun in extreme weather.

Re feed & gutter piping:

1- my horizontal guttering is the deeper U-shaped PVC stuff, rather than the normal half-round stuff. If you are capturing from a large roof area (say >35M’2), this is better than the ‘standard stuff’. And if you have elderly guttering and are to replace it, I’d recommend installing anti-splash boards at the bottom (sarking/eaves guard boards) - you slide these up under the felt/tiles and the shaped bottom edge sits in the gutter to prevent splashes against the facia boards. So many builders when doing extensions don’t do this, and all you see is the normal roofing under-felt flapping in the wind and not sitting properly within the line of the gutter.

2- You need to check but if your soakaway is part of a new build extension etc, then you will probably need to run underground from the building line i.e. not run surface. Underground you should/must use the normally orange waste piping, which is much more robust i.e. won’t crack. When you run in (obviously in suitably sloped trenching), you normally backfill with sand/shingle around it, so as to allow some flex for ground movement.

3- when I said about no fixed covering, I meant best not to lay a concrete slab/fixed paving over the top. And with soakaways, an inspection hatch isn’t normally viable, as you cannot see what’s going on inside the bread-baskets/doughnut anyway. IME, most people, after compaction, lay paviours. In clay, even with the best back-filling & compaction, it’s likely the ground around/on top of the soakaway will drop slightly - hence paviours are easy to lift and re-lay.

As my large soakaway cannot handle the very heavy downpours we sometime now see, my contingency is for surface overload to run in to another dug-out & shingle backfilled area - but ometimes no amount of drainage can cope in truth.

You may be able to simply dress over the top with shingle etc, but be very mindful of how deep the soakaway needs to be to get a decent drop in to it, and the ground levels overall i.e. if it is over-loaded, at what point do you want the surplus to appear and, ideally, you don’t want it running back to the property.

Re the gutter/downpipe trap/box, this is the bit underground where the gutter downpipe drops in. Older ceramic traps/boxes aren’t as effective as the new plastic sheath ones IMO and are more difficult to clean out i.e. if the ceramic ones get full of sand/mulch, they can block easily and the stuff travels to the feed piping to the soakaway.

As @Mike_S suggests, if you are concerned and want a 100% job, then I’d ask a local engineer/quality builder, who is au fait with the reg’s. Getting it wrong could mean doing again – and it’s not cheap, as mine needed a digger (with an operator who knew what he was doing!), skips to cart away a lot of clay et al, plus aggregates for compaction & back-filling.

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Thanks HL

Very useful information.

Jim

Yes, the owner has agreed to let me do that.

And I will do it.

I’m wondering now whether to get the same surveyor to use cameras to look into the drains linking the gutters and downpipes to the soakaway.

That would be more costly.

I’m mainly worried about whether a drain might get blocked and back up with water that could run down the walls of the house.

I’m not sure about running down the walls of the house, as this shouldn’t be possible if a trap/box is used at the base of the gutter downpipe i.e. once the soakaway is full/is over-loaded, such that it cannot drain fast enough, then the surplus should come out of the box/the gutter will just flow to ground.

If the subject gutter is dropping directly in to the ground (i.e. gutter downpipe doesn’t feed to a box/simply drops in below ground level), then I would be concerned.

Mine did this and water started come out from the top of the guttering and between the over-laid paviours. Oh dear!! Of course, with no box/trap, all the gutter rubbish would have gone down the pipe. To say it was a budget job would be a massive understatement :frowning:

To mitigate, I installed additional surface drainage channels across my garage frontage and front of the property to direct any overflow elsewhere.

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Sounds too risky to me. I’d walk away. Just MO

This shouldn’t happen as per @HappyListener’s comment - does it have an open gulley trap at the ground? Worse would be internal guttering that some architects like, much to engineers and builders nightmares……

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It’s 2 months since I last viewed the property.

And at that time I had no idea that soakaways existed.

So I thought it was just an odd astroturfed space in the garden with some garden furniture on it.

I didn’t pay attention to the downpipes and drains - but I will when I go back.

There isn’t a simple route for a surface gutter from the back of the house to the soakaway.

So it seems almost certain that the downpipes from the roof are routed under/through the wide paved area behind the house.

This would not be good news, as one really wants a trap drain with a system for catching leaves, moss etc en route to the soakaway.

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Hi Martin

SuDS (Sustainable Drainage Systems) inc. rainwater soakaways are now completely standard installations in appropriate UK houses/gardens as a way to deal with surface water without building rainwater drains.

The house was built 8 years ago by a very good regional building company and it’s a very nice development.

All the drainage systems and other infrastructure would have been signed off as within building regs.

So I just need to be sure that there’s nothing malfunctioning, or that was not correctly planned and was missed by the drainage system checks.

Jim

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Is it normal for a UK medium-sized detached house (in this case 8 years old) to have ONLY a soakaway and no other surface water drains?

I think this is the modern way i.e. all household waste is now 100% split from rainwater management. If you are concerned, and I can understand why, then a drains survey, not just on flow but also adequacy (may need original build plans?), is the only course open to you. Whether they will be able to evaluate the capacity and efficacy of a subterranean soakaway remains to be seen and is a question in scoping what they can do.

IME, a domestic surveyor (at best) will only lift hatches and ask to run taps.

You could ask some neighbours as a starter and research local ground conditions, and also look for evidence of surplus water effects/flooding. We do appear to be getting heavier and more concentrated downpours nowadays, such that no amount of drainage can cope with things.

Of course, by utilising soakaway(s), your water (rates) bills should be reduced, as you shouldn’t be paying for rainwater waste water management.

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Yes rain water and foul are seperate now, you could add some Waterbutts to the roof down pipes to give you extra storage capacity and of course help your garden In sumner

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Yes, at the moment I am waiting for the owner to get the plans from the building firm.

Yes, I am wondering whether to pay for a specialist drains survey, or just ‘go with the flow’ (or jump ship)?

Yes, the estate agent also pointed out that a standard survey will reveal little or nothing, which I also mentioned above.

Yes, excellent ideas. I have looked up the soil conditions - in that square mile the soil is loamy, i.e. mixed sand and clay.

Yes, the owner does not pay for surface water removal as the house isn’t connected to public surface water drains.

HL, you (and others) have been such a great help to me on this thread.

Thank you
Jim

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Why is it not good having it higher than the neighbours’ gardens?

If the ground saturates it will naturally run down hill… could surcharge in neighbours gardens.,but I guess without me knowing the level difference and the gradient I’m only guessing

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