How tight should the screws be on Naim Power cables

Well learnt something from Jason Gould at the Acoustica Show today. He told me that both the internal screws and outer cover (lite and fat versions) should be tightened down to 0.5Mm. He believes you can hear the difference, and any tighter introduces strain which can be heard.

He also mentioned that the screws were particularly designed to go across the whole cable rather than pierce the middle

Now you know!

Nurse!

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They still split the strands Iā€™d not have any of them without ferrules fitted.
As for hearing the difference. :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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Tighter negates the need for extra power supplies.
You should all get screwing!

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Iā€™d rather screw than be screwed. :thinking: :face_with_hand_over_mouth:

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One for a separate thread I suggest.

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Iā€™ve learned that most people over tighten screws for wall sockets and power cord connectors. Furutech (FI-28 R) specify maximum 150cNm (1.5Nm).

Did naim say 0.5Nm or? Mm?

On Youtube Furutech claims the below so their information differs a bit. So thatā€™s Max / Min 0.8 / 0.3Nm so Naim saying 0.5Nm is pretty spot on. 1 Newton is ~100grammes (gram force).

How much is ā€œhand tightā€? Roughly? :slight_smile:

This would be useful :slight_smile:

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I presume thatā€™s 0.5 Nm? If not 0.5 mm into what? Just curious.

He did say Nought point five newtons per meter.

It would be nice to know what I usually do to tighten a screw, but the torque screwdrivers that measure that low are +Ā£50, so wont be testing

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Torque is a crude way of establishing " tightness" of a fastener. 90% of the effort goes in overcoming the thread friction. But, it is easyish to measure.
The correct way would be to measure strain. But that is completely impractical, hence torque.

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Itā€™s definitely 0.5 Nm for Powerlines. They use the same setting for both clamping the cable and assembling the body of the plug.
Thatā€™s not a huge amount of torque, so worth re-checking occasionally as Iā€™ve found the screws to be really quite loose on some older Powerlines I tried.

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By re-checking Chris, do you mean loosen the screws and reapply the specified amount or is there a way to measure? IIRC, a torque screwdriver tightens to the set calibration. However if, in extreme, the screw is already at 1Nm, then it simply clicks, leaving the setting too high! Likely iā€™m wide of the mark!
Edit - useful advice and one I hadnā€™t thought of; thatā€™s a few power lines to check then, thanks!

I remember disassembling a UK powerline plug and thought the screws almost felt completely loose. I donā€™t know if that was 0.5Nm or not. Iā€™m thinking I might buy the Wera 7440 0.3-1Nm.

Is there a tolerance on this 0.5 Nm of torque?
Think about how a fastener works. It relies on the tension (elastic strain) in the fastener to compress something. If this compression (or fastener tension) is lost, things can fall apart or simply not work.
In order for this ā€œdesignā€ to be maintained, the screw would require disassembly and re-torquing at a frequency. Every month, year? When the sound changes? And, are people really going to do this? Plus, youā€™ll need a calibration certificate for the torquing device to be confident that the correct torque has been applied.

I think you will find there is a lot of intolerance about such detail when talking HiFi :wink:
But no, that was all I was told

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Agree!

When we torque up screws on spacecraft, they normally stay torqued for for 15 yearsā€¦

although TBF, nobody has ever gone out to Geo orbit to check :laughing:

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I would just try the correct setting first and then it either needs a bit more, or not.
If youā€™re starting from an unknown state, where you think there could have been overtightening, of course you can back the screw off first.

I use a little Seeley digital torque driver which was quite cheap and does from 5Nm down to 0.05Nm.

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Surely, all this means is ā€˜donā€™t pierce the insulationsā€™. That makes (common sense). Distinguishing between torque values which do not cause this; Iā€™ll keep my thoughts to myself!

Shouldnā€™t be any insulations in the screw zone. :thinking: