ya definitely a streamer, sorry about the confusion 
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Oh I can well empathise…
Clean out in haste , repent at leisure
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It’s just nice to have more than one way to play music, i should know as i have 6 different ways.
Certainly not going to get into CD is better, etc, as i don’t think it is, it’s just another way to play music.
Each has plus points, but i wouldn’t get rid off your CD’s unless you don’t have the space to store them, as you never know when you might fancy a change.
As said i have 6 different ways to play music and for me my go to for about 90% is streaming, it just has it all really and is so lazy to just use, but being so easy can also be a downside for some. That’s why having choices is such a nice thing to have, and not just in the hifi world.
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Agreed. Most of my old CDs are stored on a big bookshelf in the garage. When I got a Nait 50 recently, I discovered it worked very well with my old CD5XS. If I’d not had the CDs available I’d never have been able to try the combo.
Roger
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I would urge anyone to keep their CD collection! I made the mistake of giving mine to charity during a house move and regret it. I had many rare singles that are not on any streaming platforms.
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Interesting discussion. If I’m reading it correctly, CD rippers/ripping software should be illegal in the UK and NAIM’s old HDX and xQutes would be breaking the law???
Strictly it’s not the rippers, rather the act of ripping that’s illegal. However, AFAIK no individual has been prosecuted in the UK since the 2015 court judgment and it seems highly unlikely that the industry would do so now. I suspect they’re a lot more concerned about wholesale scraping of the Internet to train LLMs and other AI models, potentially in conflict with copyright owner’s rights.
Roger
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True, but the movie companies successfully blocked the early introduction of SONY’s BetaMax VCRs in the 1970s, claiming similar copyright issues and pretty much killing the format.
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it is not illegal - its unlawful. Why is that relevant? Illegal means its a criminal matter, unlawful means its a civil matter - and so one party has to seek damages from the other… ie a publisher would need to sue you for lost revenue. This is under UK law of course.
Ripping would become illegal if done at scale to produce counterfeit goods etc
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Well the BBC’s report in 2015 of the High Court ruling explicitly uses the term “illegal” as does AI when I checked today. Frankly, though, although you’re probably strictly correct I do think you’re being a bit pernickety about the terminological distinction. Reminiscent of debating how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
Roger
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Well I do not think pernickety = as there is often mis understanding of such terms - its quite different having a criminal record as opposed to being sued for loss!
Might not mean much to you - but some of us such a distinction would be important.
BTW I was listening to a report yesterday - the accuracy of many public AI systems accessed on the web (and they were all slightly different) were on average accurate 30% or less of the time across a range of topics. Paid AI systems had more accurate algorithms and fared better.
Remember on all AI LLM systems you need to feed and set the context. Tell it to understand the difference between criminal and civil law in the UK and how that applies to say copying a CD for personal use. Remind the AI system to use current legislation.
Even on basic free AI LLM systems you should get an accurate reply if you do that.
Remember with AI systems you must always provide the context and boundaries of what you want it to consider or it will rely on guessing/hallucinating and you will likely get unreliable or even factually incorrect information.
You can also ask it to explain why something can’t be illegal under civil law … and if you have fed the context right it will say some mis use the word “illegal” and is used in a euphemistic non technical way - often for effect or to stress a point.
Copyright infringement, in the UK currently., is a civil law infringement or breach and is unlawful depending on scale and intent. It can escalate to being illegal as a criminal matter if undertaken at scale and for financial gain for example.
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I knew that once I mentioned AI you’d jump on it! Should have resisted.
But irrespective of AI I have found several contemporary media reports from just after the High Court ruling, all of which specifically use the term “illegal”. Although many are behind paywalls, that does include both BBC and Guardian. However, my main point is that the probability of prosecution of someone ripping their CDs is essentially zero and certainly far lower than that we’ll all be wiped out by AGI. In that context terminological discussions such as illegal vs unlawful on this forum are just a modern version of debates about angels dancing on the head of a pin.
Roger
The chances of being sued (claim or lawsuit being brought against you by a publisher, artist, copyright owner , distributor etc ) for copying your CDs is essentially zero, that you and I agree on.
But yes if you were running a counterfeiting business and providing copied CDs for sale, or illegally providing a streaming service on the web for others to access commercially then yes would likely be prosecuted - as it then becomes illegal and therefore a criminal matter and consequently a police matter at that point.
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Ignoring the legalities here you should hold onto them. Ive got boxes of CD’s in the attic from the last 40 years. Ive not bought a new physical disc for the last 10 years but there’s a record fair in town today and I’m tempted…
Its not the same as vinyl album covers where you can spend ages pouring over the sleeve notes but there still something intangible about holding a physical disk in your hand that you can vaguely remember buying in a record shop.
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Well I do buy CDs still… and yes they can have great jewel box pamphlets… but with CD the text can be so small… at least with 12” sleeves the text is generally bigger!
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I find this equating of vinyl with sleeve notes and it being sold as a pro for vinyl a little odd. For sure 90% of jazz and classical have such notes. The golden age rock n roll maybe 70%. Modern releases it’s estimated to be 40% and decreasing. Kind of undermines the pleasure of the ritual theory.