JimDog
February 21, 2020, 12:40am
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An odd night.
Last night I was trying to think of drummers who exist in the same level of brilliance as Christensen.
Immediately Mitch Mitchell sprang to mind.
I listened to Dark Magus tonight with Mrs. jimdog.
When she retired, I poured a large glass of wine and had a look at what was on my Humax hard disc.
I decided to have a look at the bbc Jimi Hendrix documentary about Woodstock.
I really didn’t know much about that.
It turns out that Hendrix decided to stick with his finale place on the bill, despite the fact that that meant he would appear at 9am on Monday am because of a 9 hour overrun in the schedule.
Of course by that time almost all the crowd had gone and the fraction who remained were totally exhausted.
Nevertheless Jimi gave an truly stunning performance, which was shown in full in the documentary.
And while various members of the band at various points openly gave up playing and just marvelled at Hendrix, the one person who stuck close and stayed with him was Mitchell on the drums.
The after that I listened to Jon Christensen on War Orphans - wonderful open playing across all the cymbals and all the drums, playing only certain beats within a complex time signature.
What is missing. And what is present.
Jack DeJohnette is a favorite from that generation. Paul Motian, Roy Haynes, Ed Blackwell, Tony Williams, etc, etc. All great drummers.
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Richard
February 21, 2020, 6:18am
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JosquinDesPrez:
And sitting here now, I really can’t think of a better drummer.
Jack DeJohnette is a favorite from that generation. Paul Motian, Roy Haynes, Ed Blackwell, Tony Williams, etc, etc. All great drummers.
Really anyone who played for Miles. He only chose the best.
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I wanted to reply dejohnette, but you were quicker
Eric Harland is fabulous too and many others…
JimDog
February 21, 2020, 11:13am
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JosquinDesPrez:
Paul Motian
Those are, as you say, all great drummers.
For me, Motian is the best of the drummers you mention, by quite a large margin.
His ability to go off piste, far from the basic task of keeping time, is extraordinary.
He made such wonderful LPs with Paul Bley among others.
His discography is a thing to behold!
As leader
Conception Vessel (ECM , 1973)
Tribute (ECM, 1974)
Dance (ECM, 1977)
Le Voyage (ECM, 1979)
Psalm (ECM, 1982)
The Story of Maryam (Soul Note , 1984)
Jack of Clubs (Soul Note, 1985)
It Should’ve Happened a Long Time Ago (ECM, 1985)
Misterioso (Soul Note, 1986)
One Time Out (Soul Note, 1987)
Monk in Motian (JMT , 1988)
On Broadway Volume 1 (JMT, 1989)
On Broadway Volume 2 (JMT, 1989)
Bill Evans (JMT, 1990)
Motian in Tokyo (JMT, 1991)
On Broadway Volume 3 (JMT, 1991)
Paul Motian and the Electric Bebop Band (JMT, 1992)
Trioism (JMT, 1993)
Reincarnation of a Love Bird (JMT, 1994)
At the Village Vanguard (JMT, 1995)
Sound of Love (Winter & Winter , 1995 [1997])
Flight of the Blue Jay (Winter & Winter, 1998)
Trio 2000 + One (Winter & Winter, 1997 [1999])
Play Monk and Powell (Winter & Winter, 1998 [1999])
Europe (Winter & Winter, 2000 [2001])
Holiday for Strings (Winter & Winter, 2001 [2002])
I Have the Room Above Her (ECM, 2004 [2005])
Garden of Eden (ECM, 2004 [2007])
On Broadway Vol. 4 or The Paradox of Continuity (Winter & Winter, 2005)
Time and Time Again (ECM, 2006)
Live at the Village Vanguard (Winter & Winter, 2006 [2007])
Live at the Village Vanguard Vol. II (Winter & Winter, 2006 [2008])
Live at the Village Vanguard Vol. III (Winter & Winter, 2006 [2010])
On Broadway Volume 5 (Winter & Winter, 2009)
Lost in a Dream (ECM, 2010)
The Windmills of Your Mind (Winter & Winter, 2011)
Compilations
Selected Recordings (ECM, 2004)
Box Sets
Paul Motian - The Complete Remastered Recordings On Black Saint & Soul Note (Compr. the six albums for Soul Note, CAM Jazz, 2010)
Paul Motian on Broadway Vol. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 (Rec. 1988–2008, Winter & Winter, 2012)
Old & New Masters Edition: Paul Motian (Six albums rec. 1972–1984, ECM, 2013)
With Tethered Moon (Trio with Masabumi Kikuchi and Gary Peacock )
First Meeting (Winter & Winter , 1990–91, [1997])
Tethered Moon (King/Paddle Wheel, 1992; Evidence , 1993)
Triangle (King/Paddle Wheel, 1993)
Tethered Moon Play Kurt Weill (JMT , 1995; reissued on Winter & Winter , 2005)
Plays Jimi Hendrix+ (JASRAC/Polydor, 1997)
Chansons d’Édith Piaf (Winter & Winter, 1999)
Experiencing Tosca (Winter & Winter, 2004)
As sideman
With Michael Adkins
Rotator (HatHut , 2008) with Russ Lossing and John Hébert
With Geri Allen and Charlie Haden
With Mose Allison
With Tim Berne
With Samuel Blaser
Consort in Motion (Kind of Blue, 2011) with Russ Lossing and Thomas Morgan
With Paul Bley
Turns (Savoy , 1964) with John Gilmore and Gary Peacock (also in part on Improvising Artists ’ Turning Point , 1975)
Paul Bley with Gary Peacock (ECM , 1970)
Fragments (ECM, 1986) with Bill Frisell and John Surman
Notes (Soul Note, 1987)
The Paul Bley Quartet (ECM, 1987) with Bill Frisell and John Surman
Memoirs (Soul Note, 1990) with Charlie Haden
Zen Palace (Transheart, 1993) with Steve Swallow
Not Two, Not One (ECM, 1998) with Gary Peacock
With Salvatore Bonafede
Plays (Ken Music, 1991) with Marc Johnson
For the Time Being (CAM Jazz, 2006) with Joe Lovano, Michele Rabbia, Mark Dresser and Adam Rogers
With Jakob Bro
With Bob Brookmeyer
With Guillaume de Chassy and Daniel Yvinec
Songs from the Last Century (Bee Jazz, 2009) with Marc Murphy
With Anders Christensen
With Marc Copland
New York Trio Recordings Vol.2: Voices (Pirouet, 2007) with Gary Peacock
With Chick Corea and Eddie Gómez
With Eddie Costa
With Marilyn Crispell
With Furio Di Castri plus Joe Lovano Quartet
Unknown Voyage (A Tempo, 1988)
With Jakob Dinesen
Around (Stunt, 2001) with Kurt Rosenwinkel
Dino (Stunt, 2009) with Anders Christensen
With Bill Evans
With Pierre Favre
With Anat Fort
With Bill Frisell
With Larry Goldings
With Alexandra Grimal
With Charlie Haden
With Yuri Honing
With Keith Jarrett
Life Between the Exit Signs (Vortex , 1967)
Somewhere Before (Atlantic, 1968)
The Mourning of a Star (Atlantic, 1971)
El Juicio (The Judgement) (Atlantic, 1971)
Birth (Atlantic, 1971)
Expectations (Columbia , 1972)
Hamburg '72 (ECM, 1972 [2014])
Fort Yawuh (Impulse!, 1973)
Treasure Island (Impulse!, 1974)
Back Hand (Impulse!, 1974)
Death and the Flower (Impulse!, 1974)
Mysteries (Impulse!, 1975)
Shades (Impulse!, 1975)
Bop-Be (Impulse!, 1976)
The Survivors’ Suite (ECM, 1976)
Eyes of the Heart (ECM, 1979)
At the Deer Head Inn (ECM, 1992) with Gary Peacock
With Masabumi Kikuchi (see also Tethered Moon)
With Frank Kimbrough
Play (Palmetto , 2006) with Masa Kamaguchi
With Lee Konitz (and Warne Marsh )
With Lee Konitz , Brad Mehldau , Charlie Haden
With Lee Konitz and Steve Swallow
With Rudy Linka
Songs with Larry Grenadier
With Russ Lossing
Dreamer (Double Time, 2000)
As It Grows (HatHut, 2004)
With Joe Lovano
With Joe Lovano Wind Ensemble
Worlds (Label Bleu, 1989; reissued by Evidence Music , 1995) with Bill Frisell, Tim Hagens, Gary Valente, Judi Silvano, Henri Texier
With Warne Marsh
With Bill McHenry
Bill McHenry Quartet Featuring Paul Motian (Fresh Sound , 2002)
Roses (Sunny Side , 2007)
Ghosts of the Sun (Sunny Side, 2011)
With Helen Merrill
With Sam Most
With Simon Nabatov
With Stéphan Oliva and Bruno Chevillon
Fantasm - The Music of Paul Motian (BMG France/RCA Victor , 2000)
Intérieur nuit (Night Bird, 2002)
With John Patitucci
One More Angel (Concord, 1997)
With Enrico Pieranunzi
Untold Story (IDA, 1993; reissue EGEA, 2006) with Marc Johnson
Flux and Change (Soul Note, 1995)
The Night Gone By (Alfa Jazz, 1996) with Marc Johnson
Fellini Jazz (CAM Jazz, 2003) with Kenny Wheeler, Chris Potter and Charlie Haden
Doorways (CAM Jazz, 2004) with Chris Potter
Special Encounter (CAM Jazz, 2005) with Charlie Haden
New York Reflections: Live at Birdland (CAM Jazz, 2012) with Steve Swallow
Live at the Village Vanguard (CAM Jazz, 2013) with Marc Johnson
With Augusto Pirodda
No Comment (Jazzwerkstatt, 2011) with Gary Peacock
With Enrico Rava
With Gonzalo Rubalcaba
Discovery: Live at Montreux (Somethin’ Else/Blue Note, 1991) with Charlie Haden
With Jacob Sacks and Eivind Opsvik
With Saheb Sarbib
Seasons (Soul Note, 1982) with Mark Whitecage and Mel Ellison
With Zoot Sims
With Martial Solal
Just Friends (Dreyfus, 1997) with Gary Peacock
Balade du 10 Mars (Soul Note, 1999) with Marc Johnson
With Martin Speake
Change of Heart (ECM, 2002) with Bobo Stenson and Mick Hutton
With Bobo Stenson
With Henri Texier
Respect (Label Bleu, 1997) with Bob Brookmeyer , Lee Konitz and Steve Swallow
With Pietro Tonolo
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JimDog
February 21, 2020, 11:25am
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But…for me, Christensen (and Mitchell) are even better, each in their own way.
It’s hard to articulate why, but with Christensen it’s something to do with his relationship to predictability and rhythm.
Christensen never to me seemed to be just ‘noodling along’. He had great intuition for navigating the terrain of improvisation between making up what comes next and having a purpose.
But that just how it strikes me.
With Christensen the tracks ‘War Orphans’ and ‘Glacial Reconstruction’ give a good sense of this.
He leaves behind an amazing body of work:
As leader
1976: No Time for Time (Pan)
As sideman
With Yelena Eckemoff
2015: Everblue (L&H Production)
2020: Nocturnal Animals (L&H Production)
With George Russell
With Lee Konitz , Pony Poindexter , Phil Woods and Leo Wright
With Steve Kuhn
With Jan Garbarek
With Bobo Stenson
With Terje Rypdal
With Ketil Bjørnstad
With Keith Jarrett
With Ralph Towner
With Karin Krog , Steve Kuhn and Steve Swallow
1975: We Could Be Flying (Polydor, 1975)
With Eberhard Weber
With Enrico Rava
With Radka Toneff Quintet
1977: Winter Poem (Zarepta)
With Terje Rypdal and Palle Mikkelborg
With Masqualero (Arild Andersen )
1983: Masqualero (Odin)
1986: Bande a Part (ECM)
1988: Aero (ECM)
1989: Re-Enter (ECM)
With Blow Out
1977: Blow Out (Compendium)
With Miroslav Vitous
With Rainer Brüninghaus
With Mike Nock
With John Clark , David Friedman and David Darling
With Harry Pepl and Herbert Joos
With Lillebjørn Nilsen , Arild Andersen , Eivind Aarset , Jan Erik Kongshaug
With John Abercrombie
With Charles Lloyd
With L. Shankar
With Sidsel Endresen
With Knut Riisnæs
1992: Knut Riisnæs - Jon Christensen Featuring John Scofield - Palle Danielsson (Odin )
With Anouar Brahem
With Misha Alperin
With Lars Danielsson , David Liebman and Bobo Stenson
1997: Live at Visiones (Dragon )
With Tomasz Stańko
With Dino Saluzzi
With Jacob Young
With Carsten Dahl and Arild Andersen
With Carl Petter Opsahl and Tord Gustavsen
2008: Love, the Blues (Park Grammofon)
With Ingebrigt Håker Flaten and Håkon Kornstad
2011: Mitt Hjerte Altid Vanker – I Live at Oslo Jazzfestival (Compunctio)
2011: Mitt Hjerte Altid Vanker – II Live at Uppsala Sacred Music Festival (Compunctio)
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JimDog
February 21, 2020, 4:35pm
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JosquinDesPrez:
Paul Motian
You probably know this, but the ECM LP ‘Not Two, Not One’ with Motian, Bley & Peacock is very good.
@JimDog , and @JosquinDesPrez , the last Jeremy Pelt seems very nice. The sound quality of Pelt albums is specially good too, up to ECM standard.
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Thanks. Three great players. Gary Peacock is one of my favorite double bassists (along with David Holland). I always like these musicians.
Thanks. I’ll check it out.
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I just got Charles Lloyd Voice In The Night on vinyl today. It’s been a streaming favorite on Qobuz. Looking forward to spinning it this evening.
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JimDog
February 22, 2020, 5:22pm
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I recently discovered a great Paul Bley LP - Notes on Ornette from 1997 with Jay Anderson on bass and Jeff Hirshfield on drums.
It sounded like the 3 of them were really enjoying playing these tunes together.
The drummer - Jeff Hirshfield - also plays on an LP called Second Stream with pianist Yago Vazquez.
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JimDog
March 24, 2020, 11:07am
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On (so called) Lockdown.
Just discovered this film of Jon Christensen…navigating the terrain of improvisation between making up what comes next and having a purpose.
He’s not just playing the drum skins with his sticks - he’s not just playing rimshots - he’s playing the sides of the drums, he’s turning the sticks around and pressing the tip into the skin, he’s playing the sides of the drum bodies, he’s playing across the rims and skins of several drums and various cymbals in long sweeping movements that he makes up in response to what the band as a whole is playing, he’s making music with standard rhythm patterns and also way beyond standard notation as the musical need arises…
No one does that like JC…
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Heard this morning that ECM is postponing all of its April releases - a really pity as there was some great stuff coming up from the likes of John Scofield, Benjamin Moussay, Jon Balke, Marcin Wasilewski and Joe Lovano.
I think we will see a lot more of this; there is simply no-one around to manufacture and send out LPs and CDs, and fewer outlets selling them…
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artist
March 25, 2020, 2:10pm
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Many years ago, it was my growing ECM collection that originally led me to upgrade my HIFI equipment. They were such wonderful recordings, how could I not find something better to listen with and do them justice? It has been Naim ever since. Jim, all those artists in your post have figured in my musical listening for a lot of my adult life. and what am I listening to as I write ? . . .
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artist
March 25, 2020, 2:24pm
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. . yes, fantastic percussionist, also check out Marilyn Mazur, played with Garbarek, E.Weber, G.Evans and Miles. . . . . but you probably know that anyway. Great thread, I am enjoying it.
Thanks
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artist
March 25, 2020, 2:49pm
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Powerful stuff, Egugu conjured up a wild ceremonial march, for me.
I have popped this album in to my listening for later. Thank you Richard.
I’ve been playing some Gary Peacock…
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ECM were already on a relatively quiet year running at half what they would normally release after the excesses of the 50th anniversary.
Time to listen to the rich back catalogue and look forward to the next ones when they come.
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JimDog
March 25, 2020, 3:56pm
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Dave Holland was doing a late gig at Ronnie Scott’s the other day, when Mrs. jimdog and I were in London.
But by the time we’d been to see the Brad Mehldau Trio at the Barbican we couldn’t take another jazz gig in the same night.
Meanwhile, our upcoming visit to see GoGo Penguin at the Albert Hall in Manchester has been postponed until November.
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