My Dream System - Now Sold - I’ve Moved On

Bravo. You may have just contributed to saving me quite a lot of money as the Selekt one-box solution was sort of raising its head again…….

It’s becoming very obvious that using my 222/300 with actives, should I wish/decide to go down that path, is definitely the way forward. :scream:

ATB, J

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A circular room should be good for sound. I will ask to install my system to the Director.

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Have you considered downgrading your Selekt with any of the stereo cartridge options ?
The Katalyst modules are coming up now for a good price, and a dealer may be very willing to take your Mono Organik modules and mono line out cartridges on a part-ex basis.
I am running Stereo Organik (Line-out) in my Selekt Edition having recently upgraded from Katalyst and I am very pleased with the result.

The Atom HE is good but a different sound signature to the Selekt and although price cannot always be a measure of quality there is a considerable difference between them - I thought the HE sounded like a 282 which I had moved away from a couple of years prior to hearing the HE - trust your ears, not others’ :slightly_smiling_face:

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Good heavens! What has happened to your system?

Maybe you made too many changes too quickly and got caught up in it all.

This time next year where will you be? Maybe buy your next system and leave it alone for 2 to 3 years.

Or build a system that you can love, slowly but surely.

I thought what you had was perfect personally and you could have left it alone. But it’s your choices. Enjoy the music!

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This is an interesting but depressing topic!

I have my Dream System and have kept it! I worked towards it over a period of years and it was my goal.

LP12 Klimax and full 500DR system. Yes, there have been issues especially with firmware dramas. And I have considered selling the Naim stuff off. But I think that can happen once you reach a dream system! It’s a feeling of attaining your goal, feeling satisfied, but then thinking what now?

Decided to stick to it and enjoy the music. Am enjoying my vinyl collection more and more.

I would consider other systems but I have reached my goals. So right now I don’t feel the need to change it or sell it on.

It’s a case of focusing on musical enjoyment and engagement now rather than seeking out system upgrades.

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The key is to HODL and do nothing. Let the Naim settled and be rewarded with this long term investment. Diamond hand one should.

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I run a dual mono Organik Selekt with active ATC SCM40s and find they play together very happily. I have heard active 100s driven by nearly £20k’s worth of Auralic gear and, playing the same tracks at home, preferred the home setup except in bass weight and sheer power. Would it not be a good idea to try the ATCs with your Selekt and perhaps do a home comparison with the Atom HE before committing to the switch? Source first and all that!

Roger

Roger

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He’s sold everything and wants a clean slate.

Personally, I would have kept the DSM Selekt and looked at Active speakers as you suggest.

However, I don’t think it’s about that with @What_Are_You_To_Me.

It’s about audiophilia and never being satisfied. So he is now going cold Turkey and having a break. He says he is not enjoying the music anymore.

I have been more into films of late. Fortunately I use my speakers and sub woofers on both AV and Naim system.

Sometimes I take a break from music.

There have been times that I have questioned my system and the outlay. But I have stuck it out and am very happy that I have done so.

The danger is you sell it all off and then spend more buying back what you have lost!

I have got very good deals on my kit. Most is used but I have spent a fortune on the LP12 as quite a few bits are bought brand new. I am very settled now with what I have.

It’s a way of playing music ultimately and enjoying music. I am now at a point where I want.to leave it all alone. Spend my money on other things instead!

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Until the Gryphon 333 deal comes along that you’ll not be able to resist :wink:

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Exactly. I will wait that one out. Will have to redo my listening room floor before that happens. Snowed under by building work for customers right now. This is a good thing as it gives me time to reflect, save money and enjoy the wonderful system that I have.

The danger or risk of Diablo 333 is full change out of everything! Nothing wrong with that. Until I have sorted out my listening room more permanently I am not prepared to do that.

The Diablo 333 is a very new product. In time my flooring will be redone and then I will look into the change.

The issue is also the practicalities of having a 50kg amp. Moving it in the future becomes an issue. This is also the case with my speakers which are 55kg each.

It’s all something which I am putting off. The timing isn’t right. I am focusing on family and work rather than re-doing my flooring and system changes!

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Hi Dan,

Glad to hear about your considerations.

If you could consider fully waiting out the Diablo 333 integrated, you might wish to save a bit more and go to dual mono, in which case I can (mostly) recommend the Linn Klimax Solo 800 or Klimax 500 series.

PS: I think I might have found the plinths I was searching for since this time last year…..

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I guess we all need a rest from our various passions now and again. I am in a phase where my photography has ground to a halt, and my passion for music has increased.

I will not be selling anything. I have been using my tiny secondary system a lot lately. Today I fired up the SPL Phonitor/ Heddèphone 2GT kit, and I would not be without this silky sounding combination.

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You guys make me laugh about weight. It’s not difficult to move, especially if you only move in once. Lol.

I have now moved my 60+ kg amp 3 times in and out my house, plus 2 x to a hotel room, not to mention the 808’s and all my dCS gear.

With the right mind set, it’s easy to do.

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I look forward to seeing the plinths Edmund. I like the idea of less boxes, less cabling. Let’s see what happens down the line. I am not ready yet!

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Glad I make you laugh mate.

I have a severe hernia as a result of work following initial cancer operation. Lifting 50kg alone would put me in hospital.

Hahaha haha :upside_down_face:

Well we don’t want that Dan.

I guess doing the job I do, 50, 60 kg isn’t much for me. But it still makes me laugh.

I actually half-heartedly entertained the idea of moving up from the Gryphon Diablo 300 to 333 and talked about it with my dealer. The dealer told me to forget about it but aim for the Essence pre-power instead as he confirmed that would be a big jump while the 300 to 333 isn’t. Also, a new Diablo 333 costs 2 times more than the used 300 which I currently have so the upgrade is not worth it.

Although I currently don’t have the funds and space to accommodate the Essence pre-power, I’ve asked my dealer to let me know if a used pair is available in the future with customers’ trade-in. FWIW the Gryphon Diablo 300 although outdated and the lowest in the range is phenomenal. I’ve just switched from the 300 to the Luxman L-590AAXII earlier last week and the difference in sound quality is very noticeable. The Luxman is just not in the same league. The bass sounds weaker and less defined, overall sound is less expansive and 3-dimensional, percussion sounds off and less natural, these are the main differences between the Luxman and Gryphon. Turning up the volume it just gets louder but the dynamics and enveloping 3-dimensional soundstage are missing with the Luxman, and percussion still doesn’t sound more like the real thing as with the Gryphon.

I’ll spend another 2 weeks with the Luxman before switching to the Sonneteer Orton, another integrated which I own. I would expect the sound quality to get even worse with the change.

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The debate between the Diablo 333 and the Essence is ongoing. You really need to listen to them in your own setup to form your own conclusions. Even among different sales representatives, their opinions don’t always align. The only thing I’m certain about is that the Diablo 300 offers great value on the used market. We’ve read many good reviews of the 333, and even some Essence users have switched to the 333. On the other hand, some people—including myself—find the sonic refinements of the Essence more appealing than the drive of the 333. Each Gryphon model has its own distinctive sonic traits, and I also struggled for some time to decide between the Apex and the Antileon.

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Yes, point taken. I guess I’ll need to take any suggestions with a grain of salt, including the dealers. If buying used, it’s quite impossible to listen to the amps in my system especially since these amps are so big and heavy. I appreciate that the Diablo 333 may be preferred over Essence pre-power by some people.

It is unlikely I’ll move from the Diablo 300 unless the cost of upgrade to either 333 or Essence is palatable. The 333 wins in terms of having less boxes though.

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Hi Dan,

I too like the idea of less boxes and less cables. Recently I even went to listen to the Linn 360 active loudspeakers - but they were no match for my Magico’s.

FYI, when I was choosing my loudspeakers (in 2019) I heard - and was certain I wanted to buy - Focal Sopra 2s.

This assessment was undertaken in competition with many other brands, including ATC and other excellent ‘high end’ British marques. Unfortunately, my dealer then played me a system with Magico’s. The cabinets of Magico’s are practically silent (unlike many loudspeakers with a few notable exceptions) and I think this contributes to their excellence. My Magico loudspeakers are also infinite baffle designs which create some significant issues for the designer(s) - but if those issues are mitigated/solved one ends up with a really excellent loudspeaker.

Actually, I think I would quite appreciate your setup. Afterall, we both understand the benefit of acoustic treatments and use GIK Acoustics brand products.

For future, I am hoping that Magico might do an active loudspeaker - much like Focal/Naim have with the Diva. Perhaps the next thing after the Diva is what would persuade you to consider changing from Sopra 2s? There would be no visible ‘boxes’ other than your LP12, your RELs (and all the GIK Acoustics products) - all controlled from the ‘smart’ devices that we all seem to need to possess to control HiFi these days?

If I was in the market now for loudspeakers the Focal/Naim Diva product is one that would interest me (particularly if it were an Infinite Baffle design). Nevertheless, it is a strange beast:- the external felt covering is there for additional damping on the cabinet (I think) - and perhaps the felt is on the outside to overcome the space constraints, assembly cost or even fire risk if placed on the preferable interior cabinet surface with the Naim designed power amplifier.

I think Focal marketing have endeavoured to turn the above aspect into a ‘feature’…
Unfortunately, when asked, 8 out of 10 cats said their owners preferred that they didn’t climb the Diva - desirable though that really is!

This is often the way with NEW product concepts, the first one is where the designer/manufacturer sorts out all the teething issues, including some market reluctance to the ‘new’ product. The second attempt is where it really hits the spot…

I predict the next active high end loudspeaker from Foca/Naim will be one that you and I may REALLY like. Lightweight electronics to keep logistics costs low on distribution so using a switched Mode power supply, appropriate class of amplifier design for each driver set, DSP crossover and Room Correction included (ADAPT+) maybe we can get our lounges back and get rid of the GIK stuff, and just maybe the felt damping can be back on the inside… and the potential market reluctance of the cat owners on here will be solved at a stroke…

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