On Speaker Cables - Alert: for nerds only!

I’ve been long musing on speaker wires; the starting point is the assumption that a component is a part of the system without which the system won’t work or won’t work properly, whilst an accessory is something without which a system can work anyway. I will consider speaker wires components.

#1 I have placed my system in such a way that I now only need 1.2 mt. x side of speaker wire. I am aware that older Naim amps need to see the famous 1 microHenry and 17 picoFarad per mt. to work ideally, which means about 6 microHenry and 100 picoFarads for the recommended 5 to 7 mt. Average design of speaker wire doesn’t allow me to have 1.2 mt. runs with these specs; it should be something with a couple of inches or more separating the two conductors, and I’d have to make them myself. Ugly and inconvenient.
I guess that adding a 6/7 microHenry inductor to the wire would make no sense since it’s been Naim’s plan to avoid that in the first place; on the other hand my current Nait XS needs not any special specs for the wire.
So I guess I can use 1.2 mt. of about anything of decent quality and proper gauge. About which:

#2 I’ve long been interested in the topic of damping factor. Starting point here is the non-linear response of an amp to the variable impedance of the speaker vs frequency. What I understand is that since no speaker system is a resistive load and the use of output transformers linearises the behaviour a bit but at a cost, compromise must be accepted. Naim’s choice seems to be a relatively low DF and damped loudspeakers so that the generous current output of the amp will not be polluted by a large, undamped woofer’s backwards oscillations.

DF is an expression of the amp’s global output impedance, and this must be calculated adding wire’s and speaker’s resistance to it. Now a speaker wire’s own resistance is usually very low, a small fraction of unity, but it exists; it increases with length and diminishes with gauge. So, a smaller gauge wire will add some resistance to the amp’s output one, reducing the DF; hence allowing for more ‘free’ woofer movement. So why are audiophiles using thicker wires to have ‘more bass’? Thicker wire will reduce the global output impedance and increase DF, resulting in tighter, not deeper or fuller bass. Isn’t the use of thick wire one of the many expressions of most audiophiles’ synesthesia, by which looks and sound are commonly mistaken for one another - copper is mellow because it’s red, argent is brighter because it’s white, stone and glass bases make the sound harsher, and so on?

I once had my system disassembled for a couple of weeks due to who knows what. One night I wished to hear some music so I put something together - my Oppo DV980H DVD player, a Nait XS with a PowerLine, 2 x 15 mt. (fifteen) of Chord Campana wire (16AWG, 2 x 1.31 mm2) rather randomly coiled on the floor and Ariva speakers. Everything was excellent, bass deep and tight. I guess that 15 mt. of a small gauge wire must have acted as linear resistance added to the reciprocally variable one of amp and speakers, further reducing the XS’s DF. The result was rather pleasant.

NAC A5’s loop resistance, multiplied for the prescribed 6/7 mt., increases the amp’s output impedance of a relatively significant amount - from about 0.22 to 0.235ohms, thus reducing DF. Not a big deal, but is it the reason why longer runs of NAC A5 are supposed to ‘sound better’?

But the very last question I’m actually addressing is - what 1.2 mt. of wire will I be using? I still have two short runs of Chord Campana I refuse to ditch (the best VFM speaker cable I’ve ever had); its loop resistance/mt. must be higher than NAC A5’s, hence the XS’s DF is likely to be further reduced; but my IBLs have a small, damped woofer unlikely to create problems to the amp. And the Campana, I dare say, has one of the more solid, more coherent soundstages I’ve experienced, albeit at the cost of a minimal rolloff at both ends. I’m grateful to Adam Meredith who once suggested it to me.

I won’t apologise this time for my verbosity and the length and boredom of my post, because I have preventively alerted about its content… Thanks for corrections and a good day to everyone.

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I’ll read your post in more detail later, but I wonder if these ranges I once compiled are of interest to you:

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Indeed they are, thanks! (No need to read my post, really)

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Berlin Fritz the comeback? :grin:

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I don’t think I’m in a position to answer your primary query, however re damping factor and this:

I hope I’ve correctly understood your question, in respect of which I offer the following:

What is wanted with a speaker cone is to move when powered, but stop moving the instant powering stops. An important factor in consideration of “damping factor” and impedances is that an unpowered voice coil moving in a magnetic field - the situation thar exists through inertia the moment power stops - is like a dynamo, generating electricity. If there is no or minimal electric “load” on the voice coil, the only thing stopping movement is the physical resistance of the cone suspension, and resistance of the air, which if the former very free moving, as needed for good bass response, is low. As a consequence the cone can vibrate for a while after powering stops, moving air in that time and causing “overhang” of the notes. on the other hand a high electrical load on the coil, like a near short-circuit, puts the ‘brakes’ on by providing a high load on the dynamo effect, helping stop the cone quickly, reducing verhang,

Low impedance of the powering circuit is therefore beneficial, higher resistance cables having a negative impact. The degree of iimpact depends on the rest of the powering circuit impedance, which in simple terms in addition to the impedance (primarily resistance) of the speaker cable is the sum of the amp output impedance, plus the impedance (primarily resistance) of the various cable contacts etc.

Not sure if this helps clarify?

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It does, thanks - although the existing literature seems to suggest that higher DF (lower output impedance), as intimately connected with the loudspeaker’s characteristics, is also a matter of taste.

The USA went in for variable damping factor big time in the late 50s. It never caught on in the UK. Here’s an example on the back of a Bogen:

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I believe Naim has a very low damping factor. Around 15-30 or so?

Yes, traditional Naim amps have a 0.22 Ohm resistor in series with the output so the highest the damping factor could ever be for a notional 8 Ohm speaker would be 8/0.22 = 36. This assumes zero loss in the cables and infinite feedback the other side of the resistor.

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Thanks. What about negative feedback? Do Naim use any? I know that NF is also related to output impedance and DF.

Naim do use negative feedback, which will result in a very low output impedance from the amplifier internally. But, this is connected to the outside world via the 0.22 ohm resistor which is what effectively sets the output impedance and hence damping factor.

Whether the very latest amplifiers still do this is a question for @110dB

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Thanks for the clear explanation. I cannot see the reason to lower the output impedance with NF then rise it with a resistor, but I am not a technician! Anyway, I’m partial to low(ish) damping, so it’s ok with me…
M

Exactly as @NAC72 says. Naim uses negative feedback on the power amps. This in turn makes the power amps output impedance very low. It is then raised by a 0.22 ohm output resistor that dominates the output impedance. The 0.22 ohm resistor allows the NF to ‘breathe’ and behave predictably. There is also a mild Zobel network, to help define the HF load on the amp.

Statement NAP S1 is the exception, where it doesn’t use typical negative feedback on the output stage. It uses feedforward error cancellation. The output impedance is again ‘set’ very low and dominated by an output resistor and Zobel.

With this type of feedforward circuit the output impedance can be designed to be high, zero or negative. Negative means, when it is loaded the output goes up. There is a precise production build procedure the Statement build team follow to set the output impedance to be low and positive.

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Thanks very much, it may sound weird but this is of great interest to me. I am a musician not an engineer but there’s a small amount of electronics I understand, and that stirs my interest. I like to know how the things I love work.
M.

Hi Max ,I understood very little about this ,but my view is that if sounds good and does not upset the amplifier than that is acceptable and not to worry about it too much.

Hoping all is going well for you

Best wishes

Ian

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Ian,
I’m ok, thanks. Blood tests and abdomen ultrasound show that PSA is receding and nothing worrying is happening… Next controls end November.
All the best to you,
Max

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