I will bite mine also again.
My system (and I think also the others) was not over the edge before.
It was perfectly balanced and nice sounding. The second ps and tweaks made even the edges go away.
The fw update has gone wild - not my second ps (which I thought is mentioned in the white book of nd555)
I remember you fought with two ps and preferred one To forward with two ps you said.
Maybe you eventually got used to the more forward sound with two ps because it “must be better”?
You should try Ansuz signal cables. They are more balanced and true to source than naim which is more of a bumpy ride. Some prefer it though but it can push frequency extrems out of balance with small adjustments.
You’ve tried it with just the one PS, have you not? Strange that you call it wild, yet Mike above likes the change. What’s the answer? Have you now joined the beta team?
The sound was more forward with one ps
With two wore smooth, refined and natural.
I will not buy any other stuff to tweak my system. That is not right.
That’a not what you wrote. Let me find and quote you
I had updated from one to two ps. Have not received any answer from naim yet to my application for beta team.
But that it how it finally was in the end. Initially I liked one more - for the more rough sound.
One ps should make it even rougher now, as would the vodka cable. No!
Yes and that is what I wrote You usually say that the first seconds make your call if it’s good or not. With a second ps you said initially it was too much and you preferred one. It’s obvious a second ps is pushing the game a step further than one. If they then by software changes have pushed the top end bit more a second ps depending on room, cables, speakers etc might very well become too much if it’s been on the edge up until latest sw upgrade. Your statement below was also with 135 right? So the 500DR has likely pushed it further in the top end.
I’m just trying to be openminded because sometimes we all get stuck in a situation. I’m not saying you are wrong though. I sit here with my old NDS and won’t make any further updates to it ever so
I think, with the 2 PS question, you may also need to factor in any switches and LPSs, as Naim don’t use these, they are designed to have a standard consumer ethernet set-up if I understand things correctly. Certainly the Farad 3 on my EE8 switch added a lot, and as I said before, the system does feel at it’s sweet spot now with the firmware change.
Second ps was with 500dr. It was not pushing the sound further - it has given another direction. With one it was more rough and darker - with 2 more refined.
At the end my system was completely in a sweet spot of what I think is the pinnacle of OC sound.
But this di not help to get over FW issues.
I am waiting for a solution to come - if there won’t be (which is very very unlikely in my opinion), I will be very much more than unhappy.
While all true, that responsibility doesn’t change anything and remains speculation.
There is also the fact that customers would accept liability and do the firmware themselves.
If you’re also in this field then you will understand that it is a reality due to risk/reward and what mitigation strategy is available.
What I have seen now a couple of times that people refer to the fact that the new firmware would compensate less optimal setup (meaning standard setup without audiophile switches etc).
I belief that the firmware should benefit everybody. As the ones with the more advanced setup have tried to reduce effects and noise as much as possible, they should benefit most. I belief the real story is that they have overturned the high frequencies which is still bearable when your setup is less advanced as some thing get filtered out.
2nd point brought up is that some people suggest that they are working on it in the background. That would be great news. But why then not mentioning it when you contact support. I just got an arrogant response back and to my 2nd reply I am still awaiting an answer. It’s so easy to answer with yes we acknowledge and we are in the process of fixing it. We can’t yet promise however the date of release….or whatever. Instead it just leaves me angry with the brand I have supported throughout the years.
My firmware before was so much better having a very balanced almost analogue sound. Yes perhaps not the last bit of detail like some other streamers. But very musical and balanced. I would of course be happy to also get some more detail, but not at the price of edgy sound profile in high frequencies.
I expect it to be fixed soon, otherwise I will consider a switch - even if it’s financially painful. Life is too short to not enjoy the music you are listening to.
Perhaps we should count the amount of forum members which belief something should be fixed in the firmware. I belief there are more than thought by some who keep on referring that there are also happy people (which I also appreciate if a larger part is happy).
Your right @Mike_S. I guess thing is why should end users have to change their system after firmware update?
Like I said before some have invested alot of money on switches and cables (I am one of these individuals).
But likewise Naim don’t use audiophile switches and expensive ethernet cables in test set ups.
I guess I will do some tests tomorrow and remove the switches and cables and go standard. I will report the results. Hopefully this will help everyone.
It will be interesting to see how this works out.
Can also try ND555 with one PS.
Where legal requirements trump risk exposure…. from a manufacturer. Clearly the consumer can’t access as they don’t have access to the ST, or access to the PP of the Naim product.
BTW you keep referring to speculation, I a, not sure who you are referring to… I am talking about release notes should state one way or other…
You may speculate a software release has x, y or z, you shouldn’t rely on speculation, hence the release note should make clear if this release includes PSTI considerations, in consumer software sometimes generically referred to as ‘security enhancements’ or ‘security fixes’
My point Naim can improve the release notes to say whether such considerations are included, and this may included embedded SDK libraries from third parties.
Anyway I would not be naive to expect Naim to help facilitate all retrograde software, certainly where it includes such updates from third parties, which may be a condition of certification from those third parties.
Spot on! Thanks a lot!
I am also thinking about alternative pathways. But not today
That’s what I planned too… but than I got an update through the backdoor
Is it forced update on ND555 or the customer can choose not to?
No it’s not - but why not do an update when there are no other changes than some new features…
Now o know the answer to my own question… sadly.
I don’t believe it’s forced, one needs to hit the software update button/arrow that appears in the Naim app. There are other methods of invoking as well.
Yes if they purposely changed the audio then they absolutely should have written about it in the change log. I’m not sure we know yet if it was or if it slipped through their QC.