Recommend me a tablet for controlling NDX2

For years I have been using an old ipad Air 2 for controlling my Naim streamers. Unfortunately due to Tidal changes I’m now unable to upgrade the Air 2 to Apple O/S 16 or later which is what the latest version of the Naim app requires. Without these upgrades Tidal no longer works within the Naim app…

It therefore looks like my faithful Air 2 is now a paperweight because its main use was to run the Naim system. I can use Tidal Connect which still seems to work but I find the user interface very clunky compared to the Naim app.

So I need to buy a new tablet. I don’t really want to spend a lot of money on this because as I say the only reason I have a tablet is to run the Naim app. Does anybody have any recommendations for a cheap tablet which does a nice job of running the Naim Focal app???

Should I stick to maybe a refurbished ipad - how does it compare with the much cheaper Android options???

Grateful for any views…

JonathanG (Currently strapped for cash due having to replace the lawnmower this month!)

Entry level IPad Mini, job done! :+1:

ATB, J

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I asked a similar question a year ago and a Lenovo Tab was suggested.
I’ve been very happy with it.
I only use it for the Naim app and Qobuz
It was £110 when I bought it
from Amazon - Lenovo Tab M10 3rd Gen Android Tablet | 10 inch Full HD+ | 64GB | Bumper Case | WiFi | 4GB RAM | Strom Grey

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Multiple considerations really:

1 - was the size of the Air too big or just right? What about weight in the hand? What happens when those hands get arthritic etc. Yes, I know. This is unrelentingly cheerful stuff :grin:

2 - direction of travel with your vision. It’s not going to get better and by the time you’re 60 you need 60x more light than you did when you were 20 so buying cheap is great on paper but may be a false economy.

3 - Thanks to the then teenager robbing their own bank account and going on a spending spree I acquired multiple small tablets which I was able to charge, update and try with the intent of using one of them for exactly this purpose and flogging the rest. In my case, at that time, Naim app and Innuos Sense.

Tried Amazon, Kindle, Lenovo, Samsung, Chrome book etc. Yes, they spent a fair chunk of their savings. :sad_but_relieved_face:

Came to the conclusion that you get what you pay for. Compared to an iPad Mini the screens were poor and the devices laggy. Even the ones which looked fast - Samsung and the Lenovo spring to mind - were nowhere near an iOS device. I was quite surprised by this but it was what it was. Taken in isolation and without being able to compare you’d probably get used to the lag, as we do, and give it no more thought but, when you’re able to compare, it’s pretty stark.

4 - connectivity. Again, you get what you pay for. Some devices will have rock solid wifi and some will make you want to throw them in the bin. I literally did throw one device in the bin as it was utterly useless. No names. There have been some threads on here when it was painfully obvious that Naim and the wifi was not the culprit but it never goes down well with people who perpetually think that cheap things should all be brilliant so er…

5 - developers have many skills but anticipating the many twists and turns of Android and other minority OS is not one of them. Most focus on iOS because when you’re on iOS 18 there may be lots of phones about on 16 and 17 but you don’t have 50 flavours of 18. Android? Hmm. Not so simple. Generally, and this is absolutely a sweeping generalisation, if you want the app to work well then iOS offers more likelihood of that being the case over a longer period.

I had plans to use an old iPhone. My first gen. SE is on its second battery and does sterling service as an alarm which allows me to start the day with R4 7am news without having to run down my main iPhone 12 Mini battery, which is poor enough as it is. However, I found the screen too small and the tendency of Mrs. H. to put it down in random places was incredibly annoying.

I also contemplated a Mini but when in the Apple Store it was pointed out that one of the new 16 series has barely 2mm less screen width than a Mini so if in the market for a phone as well that was probably the better option.

My iPad Pro battery was end of life and the device itself was “legacy” having lasted 7 years. I kept it on life support for 6 months but caved on retirement and bought the new Pro. That gets used for the Naim app when the errant 20 year old comes home with their Muso QB and Innuos Sense the rest of the time. Your mileage may vary.

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I am totally happy with my cheap Samsung tablet for running the Naim app, it has lasted for years. I have an expensive Apple product in a drawer which can’t run it any more.

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I would certainly stick to an iPad if it were me. The iPad mini is probably the most convenient but the latest ordinary iPads don’t cost much and are probably the best value for money in the Apple universe for what you say you want it for.

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Very interesting points here chaps and great to have such comprehensive knowledge on the forum as ever!!!

While hunting for ipad bargains online (Found some pretty recent brand new ipads at around £229) I suddenly remembered that I still had an old company Ipad Pro Gen 1 sitting in a box which I was supposed to send back years ago while I was on a period off work long term sick. I think I’m going to write to the IT dept to enquire if I might just purchase this as it will do the job admirably. As it’s now two issues behind the current work issue and six generations behind my current issue ipad Pro V6 then I can’t see them wanting it back anyhow.

Grateful to everyone for their replies.

JonathanG

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Hi Jonathan. A potential problem with refurbished older tablets is that you have less time before running into the upgrade issue you’re encountering now again. I’d go along with David and recommend a standard 2025 iPad. You’d be getting an excellent tablet with good future proofing.

And forget about replacing the mower. Embrace no-mow June and help local wildlife — it’s all the rage this year!

Roger

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IT equipment in Business has a depreciation period of 4 years or less, so will be worth next to nothing to them

Do you have an iPhone that you can use in the meantime? Also if you have a Mac (Silicon) it will happily run the Naim app - I use this method 95% of the time

I would look for the cheapest iPad, or iPad refurbished from apple. You certainly dont need anything with lots of RAM/CPU power. I also get the impression from articles on the Forum that the app is more stable on IOS than android.

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Good point PeakMan - no point paying much for it if I might run into the same problem again soon… I’m sort of hoping they might just say “oh keep it”.

As for the mower the missus is on my case thanks to some friends visiting from the States this weekend… I’ve decided to take the plunge and buy a robot mower in the hope it will actually save us 2 hours a week of grinding around the garden…

It remains to be seen how effective it is. I was surprised to find that there are actually rather a lot of mower review experts on line and even entire youtube channels devoted to it ;-)!! The Lawnmaster OcuMow 18MX I have ordered for the price of a second hand Hicap seems to have very good reviews and relies on AI and sensors for navigation rather than silly wire strips - I’m looking forward to seeing what the dog makes of it all.

I’m rather looking forward to sitting in the garden with a cold beer watching “The Terminator” doing all the work… Now if they could just invent one that weeds too…

JonathanG

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I would go for the most recent IPad 11. $349 list on Amazon in the US (less when there are deals like now for Father’s Day, $299). Will work well and bigger than IPad mini. That said, if you want to read books (Kindle/Books like), the mini is nice.

I have IPads since the beginning. Every 4 years approximately, I sell mine and get a second hand last year generation ( second to last).
I have the Pro 2018 since 5 years now. It’s working strong, so I can wait a bit more.

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If considering iPads or any other Apple products look at the refurbished section.
These are usually shop display products that come with the usual Apple warranty and with a healthy discount (well healthy by Apple’s standards!)

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When I was looking a while back, the standard iPad was less than the Mini.

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That is indeed what I meant.

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Even if this was back in your employer’s possession I’m sure its value to them would be nothing, and it would have been written off and replaced by now. So if they don’t ask you to return it I can’t imagine them having the cheek to ask you to give them any money for it.
Even if it only lasts you a year it’s better than nothing.

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I’ve always used my iPad Pro M1 11" with great success. Also, my iPhone 14 Pro Max is a great stand in when I’m not near my iPad.

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