If you stream only Qobuz, you will pay a lot of money for the Statement and will not use 75% of its functionalities.
If you have no intention to rip cds, buy downloads, I find it strange to buy the Statement.
Better buy the PhoenixNet, high quality Ethernet cables ( Synergetic Research, Anzus or Chord Music), and a very good powerblock.
I think that’s probably right. What clock have you got? SQ apart I was pleased to get rid of all the boxes. Aside from the much enriched soundstage, which is wider, deeper, higher and more immersive than the ER without clock (but which your clock probably also brings), the PhoenixNet has a more organic, tonally complex sound. The circuit (looking at pictures of the boards) is, interestingly, much simpler on the PhoenixNet.
As for the USB side, it’s really just the other clock, I think….
Nestor already has the EtherRegen with clock. I was very surprised by what the Statement did for Qobuz in my system. But I’d be surprised if Nestor didn’t experiment with Qobuz downloads and Innuos’s offline mode after a purchase….
…yes I agree with you on this point. What this means to me is “no rush”. I can wait for the wave of new products by simply buying a roon nucleus, and see if naim put something out or Innuos has a “pure streaming” new generation statement.
I have a 10 M OCXO BG7TBL clock purchased on alipay for less than 100$ from a Chinese manufacturer (from a discussion forum); I changed the cable, and supplied by the Uptone Audio ps (since the ER is now on an mcru ps). Every time I test the ER with or without the external clock I always find a very strong lift in SQ.
I had two daisychained ERs and was very pleased with them, even more so after I added the Sean Jacobs DC3+ linear power supply, but never got round to trying the After Dark, SoTM or Mutec clocks. I was going to write about reduced box count, but I still haven’t got round to selling anything off!
You can of course get a Nucleus without adding a SSD. It improves in SQ with a good linear power supply, which will add another 50% or so to the price. It’s nowhere near the Innuos Statement, but will certainly be a nice step up from your Mac. That said the only things “redundant” in the Statement would be the CD drive and SSD. I can’t see them coming out with an equivalent model that does without, or doesn’t have a USB output etc.
I was thinking also about the phoenix net’s improvements that I would like to see built in the Statement if possible…Anyway the temptation is always there.
I have now a very pleasant SQ but what frustrates me is that this quality is the result of interminable tweaking of little details, like adding a switch, a clock, a ps, changing the place in the rack, adding some grounding returns, power cables, even the sense of the plug in the wall (phase), upgrading a software, adding roon etc….My system never sounded as good, but this is endless, no sense of achievement because you “know” there always is another improvement around the corner! So the next ones are now clear, although not urgent. I will try to wait a few months for a triggering factor: version upgrade, new product etc. Hey but it is fun though!
If you have an ER with external clock and good power supply and intend to purchase Roon/Nucleus why do you think buying an Innuos Statement would be sensible ?
I thought along similar lines and even asked whether they could do a special build, but apparently not possible. The thing is there’s always something better round the corner, or so we hope…
I tend to get somewhere where I’m happy, having ironed out all the wrinkles, and then stay there for around at least 10 years…
A question for you @Michaelb and @Nestor_Burma with Roon and ND555s, have you tried using Roon with the UPnP input of the ND555, rather than the Naim ‘Roon Ready’ implementation?
You would need some UPnP Bridge to present to Roon and direct the UPnP stream to the Naim Network player.
This is how I use Roon with my NDS, as I only have a UPnP capable input, also Naim would still develop and test using a Uniti Core, as a UPnP server, as the primary input to the ND555 and have more extensive experience with UPnP over a Roon RAAT implementation.
That’s an interesting question Simon – I’m curious as to how that would work with the NP800 based platform as don’t they effectively buffer the track (load the track quickly at the start of playback so a big burst of network activity followed by a relatively quiet network as the track plays) so if you presented Roon via a UPnP bridge, I’m assuming that wouldn’t happen ?
I have an ultraRendu at home which can be used as a UPnP bridge with Roon so i’m tempted give that a go over the weekend (with an NDX2) just to see what it does and look at the network activity whilst it’s in that mode.
Not with RAAT, which is implemented to do all the buffering on the Roon Core and then continually stream it over the network to the endpoint. I believe that’s mainly because otherwise multiroom wouldn’t be in sync if every endpoint buffered independently
I’m afraid I’ve never tried that Simon. Sorry to be useless!
Yes I realise that, I was wondering how that would work if you used the UPnP bridge with one of the later streaming platform players as per Simons post above mine
I suppose the Core would send by RAAT to the bridge, which may or may not buffer, then send it on by UPnP to the streamer, which would buffer. Probably fine if multiroom sync isn’t of interest
However, it’s a bit of a misconception that network cards shut up if there is no user data to send, there’s always chatter on the network.
Indeed, that’s why I said relatively quiet rather than no activity. Anyway I’ve got all the bits to try this so I’ll satisfy my curiosity by giving it a go…
Can’t hurt to try But it’s probably easier to compare playing from the Naim app vs playing via Roon. I can’t hear a difference for the life of me, so I’m happy. If you do, then it might be worthwhile to try Roon with a bridge
Yep. Done that and it’s a very minor difference (Quobuz via app, vs Qobuz via Roon) to me. I’d managed to wipe my Roon library (don’t ask!) a while back so the app tied me over whilst I restored from backup. It’s more out of curiosity of how it would work rather than anything else. As you say it’s probably not going to be night and day on SQ or maybe it will
Can you compare streaming Qobuz, through Statement/ PhoenixNet vs streaming hires files from the Statement, with still the PhoenixNet ?
If the difference is very clear, in the benefit of local hires, maybe Nestor will have more interest in the Statement.