Ruminations on university, life and revisiting your first system

Well that was an emotional weekend! We’ve just moved our daughter Rhiannon into her second year student lodgings in Birmingham and it’s always so hard to say goodbye to her! I know she is loving her course and has many good friends, but the house certainly feels empty without her and I’ve lost my best movie and music buddy for a while!

I was a student in the very same city 35 years ago, so there’s a lot of mostalgic memories surface whenever I visit. It’s the circle of life I guess and it’s hard not to wish I was back there again with sculpted abs and less skeletal creaking!


The move meant getting a modest system set up for her as she has been using my cast-off hi-fi bits for years. She’s already made good use of my old Ariston RD110SL turntable, but it’s certainly not a deck that deals well with being transported around to lodgings and in truth the old gal is getting a bit sluggish to get her platter up to speed nowadays after nearly 40 years. So either an Audio Technica AT140LP or perhaps a Technics SL1200 Mk7 if we can stretch to it is on the cards in the future. She doesn’t DJ, but she likes the syle and in truth we both fell in love with the Technics SL1200GME I had here on review over the summer.

At the heart of her system though is the superb Roksan Attessa amplifier. It’s got enough power to reach decent levels in modest rooms, plenty of connectivity for taking a coaxial input from her TV or a bluetooth or USB feed from her phone running Tidal or Spotify - and it looks achingly cool to boot. The longer term plan is to add a dedicated streamer, maybe a Wiim Ultra to the system. When I reflect on my old student system (Systemdek IIX/Nait/Mordaunt Short MS30) and how much pleasure it delivered for the modest outlay, I can’t help thinking how lucky she is to be growing up in an era where virtually every album ever recorded is available on demand!

One of the many benefits of being a student is that you’ve got more time to listen to music than you’ll likely have in the world of work, and I think that’s one of the things that I appreciated most back then! Staying up playing a Floyd album at 2am with your mates simply isn’t an issue the way it is when you’re facing the grind of work the next day!

So on Sat evening I was very happy kneeling in her room assembling the impressively heavy stands that came with the Monitor Audio Silver 50 8G loudspeakers. As I struggled up the narrow stairs with them to her attic room I knew exactly how the ancient Britons must have felt as they hauled Sarcens of seemingly similar weight across Salisbury plain. My shoulder (which I dislocated in a bizarre mountain biking accident 20 years ago) is certainly letting me know all about it right now as I type this… The MA Silver 50’s are just the right size for her fairly small and irregularly shaped room with its sloping ceiling and the beautifully made Atlas cables made connections a delight. We really enjoyed sharing the exciting experience of powering up and hearing the system in that room for the very first time. Happily the Monitor Audio’s come with optional port bungs for their rear ports and the sound tightened up a lot with those in place.

For a £1500 ish system it sounded fantastic and it didn’t take long for her housemates to come in for a listen too!! This industry badly needs more young people to hear how good hi-fi can enrich your life, so hopefully a few of her mates might be tempted down this road. Amazingly hi-fi like this is more affordable, and arguably more capable relative to student wages than it was back in my day and I came away genuinely impressed with the performance that such a fairly modest investment buys. You could add a decent streamer or turntable and still be under £2000, which is about what my student system cost in real terms in 1988. That’s maybe 20 days of work pulling pints over the summer on minimum wages so not easy, but certainly achievable if you want it enough.


I’m curious how many of you have set up a system for your offspring and if it reminded you of your own first steps in to the world of proper hi-fi? I certainly miss her a lot, but it’s a comfort to know she has her music and films in good quality to keep her company. I’m going to buy her a simple rack to house the amp and any other bits we manage to put together as a surprise as clearly it’s going to get in the way on that desk.

Music has been such a comfort throughout my life, especially because of firms like Naim Audio who have brought it to life in my home for nearly 40 years. I can only hope it provides similar pleasure to the next generation.

JonathanG

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Mine has a Muso QB and a room which looks nothing like that :rofl: :scream: .

Indeed last time they were in their purpose built digs they were doing a foundation year and the room required what could politely and accurately be described as a deep clean from Mrs. H. at year end. Those 2 words do no justice to what was actually required.

That they have made it to year 2 of their music performance degree seems like some kind of miracle in the circumstances, especially after their tremendous little band, which was clearly going places, imploded in horrendous circumstances amid false accusation etc..

We have yet to figure out how a bass, 2 electric guitars, an amp and a full drum kit are going to live in a room smaller than that of your daughter. Plainly the answer is that one of those things will be coming to Manchester whilst the rest remains in Sheffield and descends into hell once again.

Looks like I’ve acquired myself much of a drum kit some 40 years or so after giving up because I was bang average, didn’t practice enough and finally realised no-one wants a drummer who will never drive. Sadly they’re keeping the cymbals, snare and stool for gigging.

Amusingly Mrs. H. will have to help get the rest of it out of storage and bring it home alone as I’ll be travelling back from the Friday West Ham v Wrexham game for the Bright Phoebus Revisited gig at the Stoller Hall in Manchester on the Saturday night.

My student room was populated with an Amstrad tower system and, where your daughter has beautiful loft windows, I had a damp dorma ceiling covered with posters to hide the large hole punched in the wall by the previous occupant. I was of course as tidy as your daughter, or at least learning how to be because my sight loss needed that. I have travelled a long way in many senses.

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@mikehughescq

let me know the next time you’re heading for Stoller, not sure how to DM on here…but suffice to say it is a regular BiFrost destination.

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Duly noted. :heart:

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Loki-daughter has a Muso QB 2 and loves it. She has also staked her claim on the main system before Loki-son could draw breath! I foresee ructions…

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Fully agreed. And you are a good father. Setting up hifi for your daughter. Everyday/night , she has her parents company . Good work Jonathan :clap:t2::heart:

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Neither of my two teenagers have the slightest interest in hi-fi, although my daughter surprised me recently when she was researching streaming plans.

“All my friends have Spotify, but I went with Qobuz because the audio quality is much better.”

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A sign of hope that all is not lost on the quest for ultimate SQ :tada::headphone:

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When I arrived in London to begin my studies in 1981 I lived a short walk from Tottenham Court Road, but it all seemed very tacky so I took a trek down to darkest South London and chose a system from the excellent Billy Vee. I bought a Sansui SR222 turntable (surprising myself as I expected to walk out with something British!) a NAD 3020 amp and a pair of Ram speakers. I can honestly say I had as much fun with that system as anything I’ve owned since, although some of my neighbour in halls of residence may have a different view.

Sadly all that stuff is long gone, although my first round of upgrades included an A&R A60 and a pair of Royd Apex which my daughter uses today.

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Your words take me right back to when I moved into my first student room at university with the help of my parents, 46 years ago now! It was indeed an emotional time, for me leaving home for the first time and equally for my parents. I had an LP12/A&R A60 and KEF Coda II’s.

Obviously from what you say your daughter’s in her second year now so has already made the break. She’s incredibly lucky to have such a fantastic system and such a nice little room. Clearly music is very important to her.

I hope she continues to enjoy her course and her music and that you won’t be too downhearted that she’s not around the house now. She’ll be back for breaks before you know it. In the meantime enjoy your music.

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Rings a bell. I started at Middlesex Hospital Medical School 1982. Student hall on Charlotte Street. First system from Leeds that summer MS 20 Rega 3 Creek 4040 to which I added a technics tuner and cassette deck via bartering down Tottenham Court Road. Used to have sound offs in halls with mate who was a NAD/KEF/Dual TT man. Happy days. My lad at Uni thinks Tidal via PC and a pair of desktop speakers is enough.

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D’s youngest took an interest in vinyl and so I sorted out a little bedroom system for her consisting of some 80s classics - a Technics SL-Q33 with AT91 cartridge and Technics SU-V5 into a pair of B&W DM100s. I was actually quite take aback at how well it all performs.

It took me back to my youth poring over the Technics brochure, which included this very turntable and amp, and which I still have somewhere.

Items from the catalogue that I have still to track down are the little tripod stands for the SB-F1 mini speakers and also the rather cool looking powered aerial…

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Help of your parents? I had to travel on the train by myself, all the way from Worthing on the South Coast to Bangor in North Wales. No hifi for me, the Linn stayed at home. Once I started my PhD in Leicester I was there year round and the Linn came with me.

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I lived at home and bused to University, so my setup was the Rega 3, A60 , Arcam Alpha 7 SE and A&R 22BX speakers. I still have the Rega and my 300 odd records and 300 odd CDs from that time. Did the Heavy Metal show on the University Radio. Miss Mike is at home doing high school and uses the home systems, but I’ve just bought her a Panasonic Party Speaker for a bit of fun.

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Music was central to life at University (both at the Union and at the digs). I always had shared bedrooms until final year, so my limited cash went on a Panasonic ghetto blaster. Cassettes were the primary media back then in the late 70’s. I also had a 69 Ford Cortina that soaked up a lot of my cash (at least I could do the basic servicing myself). I did manage to buy an amplifier booster and some speakers from Halfords to improve the SQ in the car (at least I thought so).

So roll onto early 2000’s and my son went off to University. All he wanted was a laptop to play his music through. Spotify was his preferred media by the end of University. I was surprised as we both shared a lot of time listening to CDs on the HiFi system at home and in the then car. However SQ seemed less important to him than being able to listen to the latest music of the day.

A couple of years back, when we decided that we would not be living back in the UK, we decided to sell up our apartment in England. So I was able to donate to my son and partner an Atom with Neat Soeakers (together with my music collection on SSD). This was set up in their house in Scotland. The system is frequently being played but he listens to music from Spotify. Most nights he will have music on and be dancing around with the grand children. When he visits ours, I find that Spotify is added to the Innuos Zenith so they can listen to their latest music choices - hey ho.

However, I just love the idea that there are now three generations who all really appreciate listening to music (varied choices) and that hopefully a I have planted a seed that good quality HiFi components can heighten the listening experience.

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When I think back it seems crazy that I took the Linn! I was very close to my parents and I wasn’t really very ‘worldly wise’. Travelling as you did on your own to go to university would have seemed very daunting indeed to me. Not sure I would have done it TBH. In fact I’m sure I’m sure I wouldn’t! I did have a opportunity to sit the Cambridge entrance exam but abandoned the idea when I found out from their prospectus that one of their silly rules was that you had to get permission to spend the night away from your room and that if you spent too many nights away then you wouldn’t be eligible to sit your exams. This meant I would have been restricted on going home to visit. I don’t see any connection personally between studying physics and having to stay in university accommodation for a certain number of nights. I don’t like being controlled by silly and pointless rules.

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Lots of really lovely replies here and some fascinating reminiscences of your own first systems in those student rooms and halls. I can’t believe that none of my organised photo albums have any pictures of my system while at University, however there is a vast plastic box full of unsorted pics I need to explore one day so it’s possible there are some photos lurking in there.

That first move out of the family home is such an incredibly important and formative thing and I bet all of us remember it so clearly even decades on! I’m seriously impressed some here had hardware like LP12’s - I thought I was doing well with a Systemdek IIX!

The thing is though, those systems no matter how humble, delivered so much joy and were on for hours and hours every day playing records, CD’s or tapes. They provided the soundtrack to accompoany the seductions, breakups, parties and music nights we all went through. That was one of the best things about those times back then for me - music was always a social activity. So my mates and I would all head out on a Saturday to browse the local record stores, in our case the Virgin Megastore on Corporation Street in Birmingham. After spending the morning there we would probably all buy some music, grab a McDonalds or a Spud U Like for lunch and then often come back to the house to play each other our new found aquisitions. I don’t know about you, but that just doesn’t happen to me anymore. My local record dealer has kept me a copy of the recent record store release of Knopfler and Emmylou Harris “All the Roadrunning” so I will probably go in and pick it up today, but those mates I share the passion with are scattered around in Ipswich, Bristol, Cairo and Vietnam, so I will end up buying the record and coming home to play it alone. The excitement is dulled, the experience is less social despite the fact I can now play the record on an epic system which would have been beyond my wildest dreams back then! Don’t get me wrong, I still enjoy it a lot - but I do miss sharing the thrill of a new record with other likeminded enthusiasts. That probably explains my love for the Bristol show in particular - I generally reconnect with some of those old friends there and lots of more recent hi-fi friends too as a sort of annual pilgrimage!

Anyway, lets see some of those old student rooms and systems… I will try to dig out some pics of mine. I do remember that I couldn’t afford a proper hi-fi stand back then so ended up using a black metal tea trolley from Argos as a hi-fi support. It had three shelves and I took the casters off and made do with its wobbly nature until I saved up and bought a Sound Organisation ZO21 turntable stand which was excellent. I still have it and pull it out of the loft now and again when I get too much gear in for review at once!

For those keen to capture some Gen X nostalgia for those days I strongly recommend watching the BBC series “Mix Tape” which really captures the way music was at the centre of our world back then… Mix Tape - BBC iPlayer

I loved it! You’ll be growing a mullet in no time!!!

JonathanG

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Wow, there are some impressive University systems here. I’m afraid my HiFi was very much Lasky’s based, so was Pioneer speakers, JVC Amp, JVC CD player, Sansui P-D10 TT, JVC XL-V330 Tuner and JVC KD V300 Cassette Deck. Typically with all the original boxes (full points here), it would take up over half my 10 year old rusted Datsun 1200.

In our house of 12, we’d take it in turns of buying an album (probably Our Price or HMV), then pass it around to be recorded. So many SA-C90’s were used.

One of my accommodation places consisted of 5 lads, 3 of which were over laddish (IMO). I found out that when I went home for a weekend, they broke into my room and played my HiFi on near max volume. After that, I would always remove the fuse when I went away

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I guess whether you regard it as “silly” depends on what you regard as the point of going to uni. If it is solely to learn more physics, then fair enough, but I think the break from home/school and learning to interact with students from other disciplines is another key component. Cambridge’s college system claims to reinforce that and frequent absences to flee back home would lessen it. But it certainly doesn’t suit everybody.

On the hifi side I had a decent setup: record deck (Garrard IIRC) into a Roger’s valve amp and Celestion Ditton speakers, but my son never wanted serious hifi. Meeting his (now) wife early on in his time at uni was a major distraction and singing and Scottish dancing satisfied the musical side of his nature.

Roger

I used this…

However I usually had to travel light, my transport was a motorbike…

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