Sporify Connect & Lossless - How to best use

Hi all,

Spotify lossless is now available where I live, which makes it super interesting. Family always preferred spotify over tidal, so keen to see how i make this a joint primary source. I stuck w Tidal due to quality

What are learnings on best usage setup? When I play from my iphone, music replay on nd555 stops eg when take on airpods or i talk on the phone. Do you use a dedicated tablet?

Any other tips and tricks?

I still dont see lossless quality on the nd555 diagnostic page, so will try to log in and out as suggested here. Any other learnings on getting lossless quality with Spotify?

Many tx

Lars

I use Spotify Connect with my NOVA, in lossless

you just have to param lossless in the Spotify app

Thanks! I get lossless in the spotify app when playing on my iphone. When I change source to nd555 in the spotify app it drops to 320.

I have logged in and out both in the naim app and spotify app.

Any ideas? Would be great w spotify lossless on nd555

tx Lars

Have you param Spotify extreme in Naim app ?

Got help and changed now to lossless for nd555. It works!

It shows as 940 kbps so guess not fully as CD or Tidal with 1411

You must be doing something wrong then, it should be the same as Tidal or a CD. Maybe the firmware is not the latest? Could be a risk updating it though, many people here hated the second latest one.

Does Spotify connect work?

Hi - i do have the latest firmware, i playback using spotify connect and it shows up as lossless in spotify. So not sure what the problem is indeed

Are you getting 1411 kbps with spotify lossless? I see the 940 in the nd555s webpage under diagnostic

Any pointers appreciated

Lars

Hello, I am using a Lumin P1, but I do use Spotify lossless. For me, I can choose Spotify on the Lumin App, or cast it from my phone, or IPad using connect. In all cases it shows lossless, or CD quality in the now playing window. I am no expert, but you could try deleting the App, then bringing it in again from the App store. Have you changed the settings to Lossless in the Naim App?

If you don’t know how click on the icon top left in Spotify

Settings+privacy

Media quality

Lossless

Many thanks!

It does say lossless when i play spotify using connect via the naim app. However in the streamer homepage, which I log into, it only shows a cirka 940 kbps.

In the naim app under streaming services, spotify is set for extreme, which is the highest level I get there.

in the spotify app its set for lossless when using wifi

Are you doing something different? Are you measuring 1411 kbps? I dont know your P1..

Tx Lars

Yes I see 1411 kbps, but in settings I do not have the extreme option, it says very high, then under that is Lossless. Maybe someone with an ND555 will see this and can help.

Have you searched for Spotify connect here on the forum? Because there were quite a few threads on it when they first started rolling it out a month or so ago.

Here is my settings page in Spotify

Many thanks!

In the spotify app I also have your levels - very high for 320 and then lossless. Yes my spotify settings page is same as yours and set on lossless

In the naim app, i have extreme when i go into settings, click streaming services and then spotify

Are you using a naim streamer? Very good that you are getting 1411. Means that their platform supports more than I am getting.

Good to hear from other nd555 users / naim streamer users on what they get when seeing the kbps in the streamer webpage

Tx Lars

No I am not, I use a Lumin P1. Sit tight, someone will eventually see this and help you out, frustrating I know.

Ah - I found the problem. In spotify there is a toggle under media quality named “automatic adjustment”. I turned that off and now get 1411. Format shows also as 24 bit 44,1. This is great with true lossless

When its a 24bit file I get 1411 kbps and when 16bit file it says 940. Well its for sure progress :slight_smile:

Will see if playback is stable but it was really great to know that you get 1411 from spotify, then it had to be something in my end.

Big thanks again

Lars

Cool, yes I think there was a thread about what to turn off for best sound quality. Not sure if it was on this forum, but pretty much turn everything off except Lossless.:+1:

Super - i did not find that info on the forum, but got there! Now its also available here

1411 is the theory if ALL music in 16/44 is full.
Just as a song is also made up of silence.

Anyway, here’s what I’ve got:

Thats very helpful. I am learning a lot here, but makes sense that the file size is smaller with less info per second eg silence. Then not just about the nominal format.

Tx Lars

In fact, the bit rate of 1411 is for uncompressed WAVE.

Using FLAC, and therefore compressing the file, reduces the “theoretical” bit rate.

If you have silence, we can imagine that this translates into zeros,

a sequence of 000000000, for example, with a bitrate of 1411kpbs.

which you can simplify to 90 (nine zeros) in FLAC, and I imagine that when encoding, the kbps is therefore less than 1411.

Maybe I’m talking nonsense, but that’s how I understand it.

it will also depend on the compression ratio.

with FLAC you can choose.

Are you sure? You should get 1411.2 when you play a 16 bit file, not 24 bit. (44.1 x 2 x 16 =1,411.2). 24/96 would be 4608.

You will sometimes see an actual bitrate figure displayed, as the data rate is varying constantly depending on the recording.

If you look at the diagnostics page found by putting the streamer IP address into a browser you should be able to see exactly what’s happening. Put a 16/44.1 iRadio station on, for example, and you’ll see the data rate fluctuate.

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