It’ll have to wait 'til Friday at the earliest, I’m rather lacking in focus at the moment; I’ve just driven home to Swindon to Exeter back to Swindon and then home.
I suppose the lack of a focus is because I drive a Skoda Fabia rather than a Ford Focus!
Will be interesting to hear about your system/room and journey once you re coupe. ATB Peter
You could put it in front of the robot window on the left.
I just watched that video:
–> https://youtu.be/XHK0Fwf7ze4
The guy really knows what he’s talking about.
I mean really!!
In a few minutes, and without going to much into details, he makes a summary of a bunch of stuff that took me ages to absorb/learn.
And he seems to know how to apply that knowledge into real world, which I obviously don’t (except for my specific room, of course).
What amazes me is that he tells it all.
Most of the videos available providing that kind of information are nice but generally incomplete
In short : highly recommended!
Evening experiments with free standing GIK Monster Bass Traps.
Conclusion : There is no such thing as to much bass traps!
Hi Thomas.
Having now watched all Jesco’s videos I must say they are extremely interesting. I put my room dimensions into the Amroc mode calculator and it just fell inside the ‘ bubble’, also showing an RT60 time of 0.2. Obviously untreated but still… , a significant 84 Hz mode, and yep that took a little bit of the old wool to reduce!
Are the ‘ extra toys’ GIK XL TriTraps?.. and once you start, it does become a little bit obsessive, doesn’t it?
Thankfully my wife is a psychodynamic counsellor, so I always have help readily available Have fun Peter
50 shades of …
She’s needed over on the cable and switch mania thread!
…Yes,to talk to them,.who think that measurement results and technical specifications are more important than Listening.
This when testing and evaluating a ready-made product,.for best musical results in your music-system.
Think of Linn’s advertising-words,…Just Listen
/Peder
Here is another great video.
“Can Bass Traps Take Away Too Much Bass?”
He answers to that question in a very simple and understandable way. Brilliant!
But we probably already know the answer, don’t we
10 minutes
(Everyone interested in clean low end should watch that video – entirely!)
But doing these would mean living with the compromises caused by the room - yes you can counter many room problems and reduce others with careful positioning of speakers and listening position, but not necessarily all, and you can counter some room problems with different speakers - but that may create other compromises, such as the most common one of removing low bass so it doesn’t excite room nodes - but that also removes part of the music. If you are lucky enough to have the domestic freedom to treat the room it can ensure the best possible acoustic environment and also free up your choice of speakers to ones you really like. Ideally, of course, this should start with design of the room itself - but very few people have that luxury.
You can’t fit full range speakers in a little room. I have always read that or heard that. So yes, you can’t hear the full bass and all frequencies in a little room.
Or you can make an anechoic chamber with your room and have an overdamped room, which gives, to me, not real music too.
Hi Peter,
I haven’t had the time to watch all of them, unfortunately.
Work and training fills my days
I used Amroc a while ago with poor results (my room isn’t parallelepipedic).
Nice tool by the way!
A room mode at 84 Hz isn’t cool… but that can be tamed with some GIK’s Monsters. An RT60=0,2 is ok, but… careful with midrange and highs absorption.
The key is to maintain an even decay time through the whole frequency range.
Not easy, not easy at all…
The traps on the picture are GIK’s standard Monster Bass Traps, used free standing. These extra traps aren’t new, they are usually placed elsewhere.
But for the fun of it, we tried to place them behind the speaker.
The grey absorbers behind the speakers are Vicoustic’s Cinema Round Premium.
These absorbers are made out of foam which has no effect on low frequencies.
The wall behind the speakers reflects mostly low frequencies.
Therefore, placing foam absorbers behind the speakers isn’t the best thing to do…
But they are nice, and my wife likes them.
Placing the traps behind speakers improved significantly the overall music perception. No surprise really (for me). But for my wife it was really something of a surprise!
She even described the improvements quite accurately “higher notes are crystal clear now and easier to follow; the lower notes are lighter which lets me follow the rest”.
Usually she doesn’t pay attention to my experiments, unless they produce something she enjoys.
We (she) concluded that we should replace those nice little foam absorbers she enjoys so much because they are sooo nice
So yes, it never ends
Optimising things is quite addictive/obsessive.
Hi FR.
If you consider a PMC Fact 12 rated 26-20.000Hz a full range speaker in a 3.6x6.0 mtrs. ( maybe medium size room?= mine) , may I suggest your view is wrong. Feel free to come for a listen to hear for yourself.
ATB Peter
I don’t think these are full range speakers. They have 2 X 14 cm boomers. Stereophile gives a list of full range speakers : for instance BW 802 D are full range ( 2 X 20 cm bass woofers). Magico S3…
Thank you FR for not using the expression’ light weights’! ATB Peter
BTW. like the word ‘ boomer’.
They are tall and impressive, but I don’t think they are full range.
However all I am saying is my opinion and what I read or heard. But I am not a specialist.
However are there really specialists here on the forum ? I don’t think so.
“Full Range Speakers” is an over-used and ambiguous expression often used by salesmen and probably reviewers like Stereophile (which I don’t read).
No need to be a sound engineer to understand that.
Basic reading skills and critical judgement towards the readings is quite sufficient.
So “Full Range Speakers” or “Full Range Speaker” (with no S) is a speaker or speakers system providing an even frequency responds throughout the whole audible spectrum.
In such a context, size is irrelevant.
As for the readings I would suggest:
FWIW …I used 6 inch absorbers…DiY …behind my speakers
The dancing ladies frame also hides absorbers…
Am trying out a diffuser behind the left speaker as I have 2 of those leftover
Maybe I will make another absorber there after all…
I haven’t used any measuring tools at all !
I am playing by the ear and a couple of friends lend me their ears sometimes
Before I made all this the sound quality which I used to like due to the Brand of equipment was proven wrong because the limited room treatment I did is making the music sound very wonderful to my ears…with an open stage feel rather than a closed room.
Hope I am able to get across to the reader.
Next up… looking at the sky and I know the ceiling is the limit
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Sounds very sensible mpw, from my experience it is important to match the treatment equally on the 2 channels. Equal speaker distance to side walls also very important ( sorry Thomas ). ATB Peter
Just seen your photo; the skyline diffuser behind your left speaker has no purpose/ effect there, sorry.