Thanks for the advise, would need to try it out as the devices are far away from each other and run through their own networks while they share their same backbone network to the internet.
If the Naim app can see both devices at the same time it should work.
Thanks for the guidance will try it again once I do use my indoorbike again when the weather get’s worse….
Ratrat,
For last couple of years have run both Qobuz and Tidal but have already ended Qobuz subscription which is up for renewal in the next couple of months – I just don’t need two any longer!
Streaming is my main source so could not be without at least one service which has clearly created a dependency but really enjoy the vast catalogue at your fingertips.
Like you I tend to have current favourites on rotation one of which given you like the Go Go Penguins may be of interest to you if you’ve not come across them:
Interesting. What made you choose Tidal over Qobuz? I’m running a Qobuz trial against my Tidal subscription and am finding more Hi-res tracks I can actually play (I’ve been waiting for Naim to support Tidal Max all year).
If I’m honest, don’t think it was a conscious decision for one or the other.
We have used Qobuz in the past, several times, so was familiar with their platform and the service. Maybe that was the key to going back to Qobuz?
Over years, have used Apple Music ( that’s a whole thread by itself) as well as Qobuz streaming services. Roon too. In fact, would probably go back to Meridian Soolos, early version of what later became Roon. Also, lots of software for ripping and managing music from CD, etc. Lots of music server based ideas and solutions.
When our ZENmini first came into our lives - around Jan or Feb 2022 - it was really to solve one specific requirement - to provide access to 1000+ CD collection - as a secondary source in a music room. But, using small diminutive boxes and without having to accommodate all the CD’s. For the first year, we used Innous Sense UI and just accessed and played from our CD collection. Streaming from internal server only.
Things progressed from there really.
At a later time, we added both Qobuz and Roon ( same time). Made ZM as Roon Core. Also adding ND5 XS2 for streamer in another room.
So, having explained all that, might see that Qobuz was always maybe a bit of an experience, in itself.
Reading some of the above posts, it seems that opinion - on streaming services - is maybe as much to do with the way you think about music, consume music, as anything else.
In our case, we already had a significant investment in physical media, both CD’s, DVD’s and vinyl records, which also has a lot to do with your start point.
I’ve said before, say again here, if I was starting again today, would buy the best digital front end I could muster ( maybe streaming transport and external DAC) and just access Hi-Res streaming music services.
Our reality, is that most of our favourite music is already available on CD or vinyl or both. And we do like the ritual and tactile nature of playing physical media, particularly vinyl records. There’s still a place for streaming, maybe to access new stuff and to explore and experiment.
We are all different
Happy listening on a Sunday.
R
MrFixit – not sure if you were asking me or OP but will respond anyway.
I agree with your assessment that there are more 24 bit versions of music generally.
Initially I subscribed to Tidal to cover gaps in Qobuz titles, mainly electronic stuff.
My daughters prefer Tidal app although I use Roon so no difference for me.
Tidal have dropped MQA and are building out 24 bit catalogue so hopefully gaps in 24 bit library will close over time.
I can understand why you may prefer Qobuz – imo both are excellent services I just no longer need two.
Thanks @Tapp. I’m still in two minds. If only Naim hurried up with Max support I’d probably stick with Tidal, as I’ve got used to it for over 8 years. But Qobuz is as good if not a little better. I use the Naim app, so their own UIs are not a decider.
I’m a Qobuz subscriber. As much as I enjoy the streaming experience, it’s not as good when it comes to discovering new music but that is when I compare it to Spotify. I still listen to CD but my taste in music isn’t very mainstream, some albums cost premium price to purchase online over £15.99 which is difficult for me keep up with new or newer albums. Also my buying habits is changing too, if I like the album then it’s not enough reason for a purchase, I have to feel passionate about the album. However I guess it is because of streaming as well, some albums simply don’t make it to the all time favourite list.
Fascinating sentiment, which I - for one - would understand
As an example, currently listening to The Blue Nile : “Headlight’s on the Parade” from Hats, ( 1989),
But listening to the more recent version remaster (2019) and re-released on vinyl. We now have several versions of this music. But, this one, played on our LP12 is just magical. Could listen to this one album all day, over and over. Might do just that
Great album!
According to Discogs I have a copy from 1989. Looking, looking, looking…
I prefer to spend my money on my music collection as opposed to paying someone else to listen to theirs. Jukeboxes belong in museums.
That is curious. Assuming same version/mastering I would have expected that when there is ang audible difference the order of best sound would be Melco top.
It was just that till i got the vivaldi upsampler.
Now i could easily do without the melco and hardly use it these days.
I certainly won’t be upgrading my N1ZS (old flagship model) for the new melco’s
The Qobuz desktop app for Mac seems to work really well.
If you use and rely on many of Roon’s features I doubt the Qobuz app will be a substitute, but I generally found I was using Roon mainly at the computer rather than in the listening room.
The Autoplay feature is a pain in the neck on the iPhone as it downloads the tracks so i end up with loads of singles I need to delete from the offline library when I really only want the albums I’ve specifically downloaded to play in the car or garden. Even if disabled app updates tended to re-enable it.
I might enjoy it at home, just hadn’t enabled it:
Hehe.
Just a thought, you might want to check the terms and conditions. I bet you don’t actually own your music, you own the LP CD etc, but not the music.
Semantics I know, but is streaming music so different? You don’t own the music either, you just have a short term renewable lease
I have a physical copy of it which is subject to the usual conditions. I can play it for ever and it won’t cost me another penny. Play forever or pay to play until I stop paying and it stops playing. I’d suggest it’s more than semantics.
You miss my point, you don’t own the ‘music’, which was what you said. Semantics.
Not big deal just made me chuckle.
It does you good to laugh.
I have both Qobuz and Tidal listening via Roon, the Qobuz subscription is due in November and I’m seriously considering not renewing. The idea was to find music I like and use the sublime subscription to download it a bit cheaper. But what I am finding is Qobuz doesn’t seem to have as much choice that I like as opposed to Tidal and quite a few of my potential downloads were not reduced in price. Like others I have been carefully buying CD’s and ripping them. As I’m still exploring Jazz if I find something Ilike I can usually get it used from WOB or Music Magpie or even Amazon. Occasionally I like a high res version of something and I will purchase usually at a premium price.
I do find Bandcamp really good as I like the combination of ordering the record and getting a download as well.
Tim