Same as. It did do so at one point, so don’t know if something has changed in FW update that needs/can be switched back. Not checked.
Tidal and Qobuz browsing of favourite albums is OK, it’s just NAS devices that are listed rather than grid based.
For the money it’s very good indeed. I use mine into a DAC v1 supernait2 and ovator 400.
I’m sure the more expensive equivalents are better but technology moves fast and this is fine for me
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Hello I have recently bought a WiiM Ultra to stream Qobus tracks to my also recently bought N50. My intention is to either upgrade the streamer eventually or to add a DAC between it and the N50
A perhaps elementary question but what is the best way to set volume levels? Both the Ultra and the N50 have volume controls so does it matter whether I use one or the other or a combination of both? I tend to think I should set the N50 take over much of this task but hope someone with more knowledge than me can give a definitive opinion
Thanks. Bob
You can set your WiiM to fixed volume output (100%) in the audio settings menu and then control volume on the N50. That will probably sound best, but you might want to experiment with a lower volume setting on the WiiM to give more play on the N50 volume knob or if you want remote volume control.
Roger
Look at HiFi Rose and Eversolo that run open-source Android on the box. That is how Eversolo can run the hi-res files from Apple Music - they run Apples own Android-app on their boxes. The user-interface is a bit weird but it works. Probably it also makes it easier to hire developers,
I am slowly testing my way through these, to me unknown, brands and they seem to in general be more software-based. Possibly because they are designed by younger teams.
I just like the product category in general. All inclusive digital source. Like the old Naim HDX.
A pre-owned, mint Chord Qutest fed by the Ultra with fixed volume output set on the app. will see you right 
The Ultra’s EQ settings and room correction will still work even if feeding the DAC.
I have tried the room correction a couple of times but leave it switched off. The EQ settings and those on the Chord mean you can have endless hours of fun getting it just the way you want!
Roger - many thanks I will try out both approaches. If little difference the ability to adjust volume on the WiiM remote is useful for minor changes in volume
Jamie does the Qutest bring a big improvement?
Set the wiim volume to max or set it up in the menu to 100% lock.
As for a better dac, then the sky is the limit here.
I am going to try at some point using my chord mojo 2 as a dac, as apparently that brings great results as the dac in the mojo 2 is very good for its price/size.
But for now as it’s just my family room set up, i have no real real to try, as i want to keep it as simple and cheap as i can.
Not even using the N50, as that’s still in the unsealed box, just going straight into the muso, and it’s more than fine for what is needed here.
Already sold my little amphion argon 1 speakers to my best mate for his system, as they sound fantastic in his system. Probably will sell the N50 as well at some point, as i don’t think i will need it going forward.
Cheers dunc
Absolutely no contest for me.
You can always try a pre-owned one and resell for near/same price if it doesn’t do it for you.
Wiim is marvellous, spesh at its price.
However a chord DAC enhances the usefulness of the Ultra as a piece of kit, from which to source and gather music, turning it into a proper decent music maker.
HI
The Apple Music support is a hack and it’s a constant cat and mouse game with Apple and these devices that try it to make it work. If intended as a primary listening method it can be quite variable and hence annoying as it goes down for weeks on end + lots of messing around with reinstalling code / apps etc.
Apple intended that App for mobile phones devices and not to be use on embedded android devices that are mutating the intended user experience, plus potentially compromising content security with non standard kernels.
Best
Steve
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I found the impact of using the volume on the WiiM to be significant. My advice is don’t use it.
I also have a Qutest between my WiiM and Nait 50 and it’s a major improvement. If budget allows I’d go for it without hesitation.
Roger
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Has the OP or someone here been aware of some excellent, cost-effective alternative streaming solutions such as RoPieee/Raspberry Pi devices (3, 4 and 5 family)?
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Oh come on, they are not even pushing it as their main Apple Music app. This is how you historically deal with Apple - when they make crappy decisions the developers break them. I’ve been an Apple developer since the 80’s.
And Eversolo have another (default) one done as Apple wants it done. As for fixing the audio support in the android kernel - it must be done and this is the (sometimes only) advantage of open source and using software, you can fix the problems yourself. Try (say) Eversolos latest software and look at the good stuff rather than what stuffy industry standards they break.
I have never been to china but I like the Chines HiFi-stuff (above the aliexpress crap-level) - they are not afraid to try things. And they make use of their know-how in production and solving things in software to get human prices so I can afford it. Like it proudly says on the rear of the Kinki M7 power amp I am trying “We come from China” 
Hi @Jan,
I think the main difference is that for private individual developer or open source project for non commercial use, there has been a long history of reversed engineered libraries or ignoring licensing terms because engineers want to do something cool, even if eventually they get their developer account blacklisted or pulled from github.
However, when manufacturing a product that is being sold to paying end EU/USA consumers, they need to play by the rules as companies are legally responsible to provide product fit for purpose and not be breaking licensing requirements. In our case we directly work with Apple and their USA office certify our products so we have to be super compliant.
Devices designed in Asia often have a more “relaxed” view on shipping products that are not compliant / running on reverse engineered private API’s / non certified etc. but that doesn’t make it right and arguably makes it unfair for those who do play by the rules. Ultimately every cheap streamer brought from China or similar is slowly but surely eating away financially at Hifi companies who have to play by the rules and make fully certified solutions.
In the case of Apple they have no consumer streamer product Apple Music ‘built-in’ program, they have Apple MusicKit but its not intended to go into commercial music streamers. The official route is Airplay. They do have a route for selected car manufacturers and Sonos have one, but it’s extremely selective and strict.
On an end note, if Apple had a native Apple Music solution to access the HD lossless material we would love to integrate it.
Best
Steve
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Yes I’ve got a pi5 running the hifi berry DSP and digital coax boards, it goes straight into my DAC-V1 running a version of Build Root Linux running the services I like using (mostly as I find the off the shelf distros a tad cumbersome and packed with features I don’t care for), I Purchased the Wiim for its arc compatibility as I’d go insane trying to add that functionality to the PI.
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@Richard.Dane I think this thread has gotten a little off topic, can you please lock it.I thank everyone for there input.
Thanks
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