An update. Apparently the original story was rubbish:
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Does that mean that every post in this thread means the opposite of what it says?
thanks for posting the article
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I thought I should highlight the following excerpt from Discogs, full story available on their website, informing that the data is wrong, and that overall sales are up just over 6%!
âOn October 15, Discogs contacted Chris Muratore, director of partnerships at Luminate, who confirmed that the reported data is incorrect. Vinyl sales are actually up 6.2 percent. Billboard has since added language to their âMarket Watchâ report, clearing up the errorâ
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The poor girl has to get her next $Billion from somewhere.
But not from me I have no Taylor Swift albums of any colour or media - we all have a choice.
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The original numbers have not taken into account the 10 billions sales of Ese and the Voodoo. So itâs an update.
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Lol, we wish!
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I have stuck with CDâs ever since i can remember as I find they sound better then any streaming format I have heard, i never liked vinyl as itâs too much fiddling with cartridges etc but sound is good, but CDâs on my Audio Research CD3 MK2 feeding my Naim NAP 250 DR sounds pretty close to vinyl through my Sonus Faber Venere 2.5s.
So do I!
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Was speaking on behalf of Vooduu Nation, lol.
You and Ese are an important part of the âweâ, obvs 
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Welcome to the forum AceAsh.
CDs are fine I have several although fewer of them than the LPs I have. The quality of the sound is good and I enjoy them but I seldom listen to a whole album on CD in the way I do an LP version. A lot of my CDs can be classed as greatest hits and compilation albums and I play them when I want background music while doing something else.
I agree that to get the best out of oneâs LPs it takes effort (and money of course) to get a good turntable setup. It also takes effort to choose a good arm and cartridge combination, It takes time to learn how to do this well and effort to keep things up to spec. This is not for everybody but I have learnt how to do this over many years and comes fairly easy to me now. Me and my turntable have been together for around 40 years now although updated over time. It sounds great and I enjoy it very much.
I donât believe that is accurate. Disc rot is a matter that occurs with CDs and DVDs and the issue is caused by very low level contaminates that react with the aluminuim reflective layer that by pass the aluminuim oxide passivation due to the thinness of the aluminium reflective layer used. It is not limited to a single production facility, I believe you might be referring to a specific production issue in the late 80s early 90s with audio discs produced by PDO that was referred to as âCD Bronzingâ where a less effective lacquer was used where rot speed was increased.
Disc rot is caused by many variants that react chemically with the reflective layer over extended time, but can be slowed, but not eliminated, by how and where the disc is stored with respect to its storage atmosphere.
I understand Blu-rays on the whole donât suffer disc rot that DVDs and CDs do as they dont use aluminium as their reflective layer.
Disc rot however also occurs with writable CDs, and their reflective layer is far more complex than aluminium.
The CCI has guidance on how to slow the occurrence of disc rot with CD and DVD, specifically for but not limited to writable media for some of the considerations. I suggest with CD Audio with its inherent error recovery and less criticality to data loss perhaps the 5 year play test could be increased to 10 years⊠but that is my view.
Enclosures
- Store discs vertically in standard-sized jewel cases; paper or plastic sleeves are not recommended asthey provide little physical protection, may interact chemically with the disc, and/or can scratch the disc surfaces.
- Use one-piece polypropylene cases for storage of discs that are handled frequently or when greater durability is desired.
- Remove liner notes or other materials from the jewel case when storing the disc (this is not essential if the disc is constructed with a gold metal layer and phthalocyanine dye).
Handling
- Hold discs by the centre hole and the outer edge between the forefinger and thumb.
- Avoid touching the disc surface with bare hands, as fingerprints will interfere with readability.
- Label discs with a water-based permanent marker on the clear inner hub; do not apply adhesive labels of any type.
- For more detailed handling information, see ISO Standard 18938:2008.
Cleaning
- Remove loose debris with a compressed air duster or a soft non-abrasive tissue or cloth, wiping from the centre of the disc outward in a radial direction. Never wipe in a circular direction.
- To remove fingerprints, apply a small amount of dishwashing liquid to the disc surface and gently wipe it with a wet soft cloth. Afterwards, rinse the disc in distilled water and carefully blot it dry to avoid the formation of water spots.
- Cleaning procedures can scratch the disc surfaces if not performed correctly.
Environmental storage conditions
- Limit exposure to pollutants and light as much as possible. Note that the negative effects of light (e.g. fading of the dye layer) are not a problem if discs are returned to their cases promptly after use.
- Suitable temperature and RH conditions are described in ISO Standard 18925:2008. The recommended RH range for extended storage is 20â50%, with RH never falling below 10% and never fluctuating more than ±10%. The recommended temperature range is from -10°C to 23°C, with the temperature never exceeding 32°C.
- Storage of discs in a cool and dry area will significantly increase media longevity.
Periodic testing
- If discs are stored under recommended conditions, test error rate and playability of representative samples every 5 years.
- If storage conditions are poor, test more frequently.
I keep my many hundreds of CDs in flight cases, and unfortunately some of my early CDs from the late 80s and 90s donât rip or play without increased unrecoverable errors on some tracks, despite them appearing perfect. However only three or four have become completely unplayable or un rip able⊠my very unscientific assessment is I have had more issues with late 90s CDs⊠but that could be because I have a lot more of those.
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But, it was in the news, it must be the truth? The journalist would have independently and thoroughly researched the facts before publicationâŠ.
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Yep, I was. Itâs the only form of disc rot that I have noticed. And probably the only form of disc rot that most people need to be aware of, though sensible maintenance is of course to be recommended.
Maybe all my thousands of discs are slowly rotting (not CD bronzing), but I have a feeling that only a tiny few may be unplayable sometime in the future, before I am six feet under. Iâm not losing any sleep about it.
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Of the thousands of CDs I still have, only one ever degraded and was replaced.
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I have 4 to 500 CDâs some 40 years old and they still sound incredible to my ears and no snap crackle and pop, but I do like the sound of Vinyl but canât cope with the hassle, I like getting up and changing CDâs the only exercise I get, with streaming I wouldnât even get that.
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I kind of have that view with increasing things in life.
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Yep they should do, you will likely find if rot is damaging the aluminium such that it interferes with its reflective properties it will likely fail quickly or skip⊠rather subtly go off like a magnetic tape.
I have bought very little new vinyl over the last few years. What I have bought, with the exception of a Rhino re-mastered American Beauty, have been quite disappointing. Flat and with âpopsâ straight out of the vac-sealed wrapper. So, now I buy CDs pretty exclusively. Unless there is something I really want to have on vinyl. There is a big push on SACDs right now. Neither of my CDTs play them. The SACD/CD players are crazy expensive. Iâm not interested in streaming. I want to own, not licence.
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