As a long-time LP12 owner, one who has upgraded much of it. I am wondering what parts of the original deck need to be retained for it to be considered as the same TT. Most UK forum members and viewers of Only Fools and Horses will know what I mean when I say, it is the “Trigger’s broom” conundrum. (Trigger asserts it is the same broom despite it having had the handle replaced and the broom head replaced, other cast members’ expressions show they are sceptical about this.)
My LP12, from the late 70s, is far from original but I feel it is the same turntable because I have kept the plinth, the top plate and the smoked acrylic lid. Everything else has been replaced. My main reason for thinking of it as the same deck is because the plinth is the same and it still has the original Linn sticker with the serial number on it. But am I fooling myself in this; since all of the mechanical and electronic parts have been replaced and in effect, I have just kept the wrapping?
I think of mine as a modern original. In my case the original plinth, outer platter and Ittok arm - so it certainly looks original, but it performs at a Seleck level spec.
We think of ours as “original”.
Although, much like yours @paulbysea and @Mike_S the inner parts were upgraded to Selekt level in 2021.
Outwardly, it is the 1986 original. Which was an important consideration for us, when all the work was being done. The one concessions is the change of Linn logo on the armboard. ( Which bothers me a little - low level - as it’s entirely possible for Linn to supply the new armboards with old logo style if they choose. I see this is more to do with marketing - brand management - than anything else).
Otherwise, excepting for that one clue, our lovely 1986 Linn fluted afromosia LP12, c/w original Linn Ittok tonearm, is outwardly unchanged.
As suggested, how far do you go with these fine distinctions ?
Love the way our looks, always will - unlikely to change it - that being the important aspect to us.
I very much wanted the result to look completely in line with the classic vinyl era, but with the best performance. It’s a little gem really, like you, I doubt I’ll change it all now, apart from the cart when the time comes.
If you still have all the original parts that could be refitted, then you could consider it the original. You may ask why you’d ever want to replace those parts. Many people like to be able to put something back to “factory.” Be that cars, guitars, or Hi-Fi. We all know that a modified Naim is not tolerated if you send it to Salisbury for service. Which, for me, always adds value to an original item.
My 1973 Fender Precision Bass is original. Or it can be in an hour’s time as I have all the bits that start with 73 as their serial number.
Agree with that idea …
As a result, we kept all the original parts coming off (from the refurbishment work undertaken in 2021) and have these in a box at home now.
Many might consider this OCD - I can’t help myself - but keep old things. Just in case ?
As you suggest, it occurred to us, we may wish to go back, and retrofit original parts at some point.
(To be fair, the original, in all its glory, sounded pretty decent ).
However, it sounds so good now - improved - no desire currently
i misread that as we think of ourselves as “original” as much like triggers broom nearly every part of us (cells) has been replaced - several times
i guess like most lp12s mine looks much the same but under the covers much has been replaced i have the added complication that after a flood along with most of the contents, mine was away for many years with a restoration company and i am not at all sure the tt that was returned was my original - schrodinger’s catlike it both is and isn’t.
The ocd im me may keep like for like replacements. I was thinking more about upgrades and things about the original that can not ever be replaced. If in doubt, keep all the bits !
To me, if the plinth and lid were the same then it would always feel like the deck I purchased, however much modified ‘under the bonnet’. If these were changed then it wouldn’t.
If I’ve understood the paradox correctly, the solution is simply to open the box and take a look at the cat ?
Thereby, break the idea that both outcomes may simultaneous exist.
Simply observe the actual outcome, in reality, etc.
Or in this case, maybe test or observe if the current incarnation of your LP12 performs as good as any other in the same condition?
How does that sound?
Hope that help with another conundrum
Not if the cat in question is Nanny Ogg’s Greebo, who uniquely, has missed out the first two states (I.e. dead or alive), and progressed to the third state - bloody furious!
But at the same time - Schrodinger’s cat is a hypothetical construct - and part of the paradox is the knowledge of this “opening the box kills the cat” may immobilise the observer and prevent any action ?
However, in reality, your own paradox can be resolved with action.
I’m not convinced same rules apply, (in reality).
You could just check and observe, with out fear of a negative outcome ?
How’s that ?
But I do like the concept suggested, that we are all a different changed organism by the time of our ending. (Which also applies to an LP12). What a brilliant and creative idea?
If you think about it, there is more percentage of your original lp12 now, compared with how much of you is the same since you purchased it. Body cells double, and die, and all that stuff. So if you are the same, perhaps your LP12 is also.
Plinth Lid, Cross-brace & Top plate still original here from 1987.
I reckon if no third party parts it’s still the deck I bought but aftercare has been kept well.
Genetically the original deck and same serial number.
The plinth, top plate, outer platter & lid are original. There have been several sub chassis, now Kore. Its the 2nd inner platter - Cirkus. Its the 2nd PS, now Lingo (1). Its the 2nd arm, now Ittok (was Rega R200 originally). And a number of carts… mostly DV10X versions.
