Why do BBC Internet radio streams not show current track?

When I select Classic FM via my NAC-N 272 streamer’s iRadio facility I am told what music is currently being played, but no such information is provided for BBC Radio 3 (or Radio 2). In contrast, the DAB radio on my wife’s 2017 VW Golf shows the current track for Radio 3.

Has the BBC made a deliberate decision to exclude such information from their Internet streams?

Yes. I’m afraid they have.

That’s very irritating :frowning_face:

If they do it for DAB, I can’t see it costing much to add current track information to their Internet streams.

The BBC is now second-rate and poor in many things they do.
They used to lead the world - no more.

There are better stations and quality elsewhere in most genres.
And even some good jazz stations which you do not even get for £159 with the BBC.


It’s probably because they distribute everything as one type of high res stream and then transcode it wherever and whenever a different (ie lower res) stream is needed. But adding in the metadata to every instance of transcoded data wherever that takes place is going to be tricky. In other words it’s not about cost, but technical complexity.

You don’t pay anything for BBC radio. You only have to pay a licence fee if you watch TV in the UK (any TV not just BBC TV of course).


Presumably the same level of complexity applies to Classic FM, but they manage to do it.

I don’t think there is any complexity about Classic FM!

They probably expect us all to be using the BBC Sounds app or smart speakers.

Sceenshots from R2 just a few minutes ago, one from BBC Sounds app, the other from the BBC service on Sonos.

That’s enough R2, back to Radio Paradise :slightly_smiling_face:

This is likely due to having been starved of cash for over a decade much like another British institution. Despite this, they do well as far as I am concerned even if I don’t like some of the recent changes made to R6.


We’re in danger of going down a different rabbit hole here :slight_smile: As I’m sure you know, I was simply picking up on your suggestion that the BBC couldn’t cope with providing metadata on its Internet radio streams due to technical complexity. It can’t be that complex if Classic FM can do it.

The complexity arises from the very large number of transcoding points across the BBC’s transmission network, where metadata would have to be added.

Classic FM on the other hand has none of that transmission network complexity. That’s all I am saying. Anyway I’m done with this now.

Hmm. In addition to my NAC-C 272, I also have a Muso 2 and a Muso QB 2, which I have always thought were Naim’s “smart speakers”. I wonder how Sonos can display the metadata when none of my Naim kit can do this.

From what I can tell Sonos uses a BBC Sounds service that requires a login using a BBC account rather than a plain old URL.


You prompted me to search this forum to find out if Naim supports the BBC Sounds app and this took me to another thread that told me “You can use AirPlay or Chromecast to stream from the Sounds app. The BBC channels are all available on the Naim app iRadio input, along with some on demand and podcast material, but the Sounds app is a better interface”.

I’ve now installed BBC Sounds on my phone and have successfully Chromecast Radio 3 to my Musos. It looks like I will now stop using Naim’s iRadio.

Many thanks for pointing me in the right direction :slight_smile:

Yes, on the BBC Sounds app you can clearly see the cast icon. The good thing about casting a radio stream as opposed to local files is that Chromecast’s lack of gaplsss playback isn’t a worry.

I’ve now installed BBC Sounds on my iPad and am simultaneously playing this via Airplay 2 on all my Naim devices. That’s better for me than Chromecast.

Not quite David. I watch a lot of tv legally without a license.
Only programs that are viewed whilst they are currently being broadcast and I player need a license.
Any catch up service,Netflix, et all do not require the purchase of a license.

I don’t think you’re allowed to watch BBC TV catch-up without a licence.


Found this

You must be covered by a TV Licence to download or watch on BBC iPlayer – live, catch up or on demand. This applies to any device and provider you use.