I hadn’t realised that you could get slower than K25 ?
I did try it but it wasn’t for me and Fujichrome 50/ Velvia was a stop faster and so I never really used anything else for colour unless it was a sports event.
K25/64’s archival properties were the best and much better then any E6 film. I did my own E6 if it was needed after Sunday sports event else it was sent to Peak Processing Labs.
It was especially for using with microscopes - very fine grain indeed - contrasty, of course, but not ridiculous.
Was going to comment on how warm and natural vinyl sounds,and that may have been one reason for a ‘revival’,but now realise I’m on the wrong thread,I know nothing about photography!
I agree that vinyl can sound ‘warm’ and ‘natural’ when played on ‘decent’ record playing equipment.
I am just not sure that the turntable/cartridge combinations that are likely to be used by most youngsters behind the resurgence of vinyl are capable of a quality of sound equal to or better than that of modern day entry level DACs or streamers.
When you take into account the elevated price of new vinyl releases vs the cost of CDs or downloads (sometimes almost double the price), the resurgence is to me even more surprising.
By way of explanation, I can only offer my own experience: I came of age in the CD era but got into LPs because they were cheap, plentiful, and sounded great. Now I’m saddled with an expensive vinyl habit, probably for life.
What can I say? I just like the damned things. Spinning John Cale’s “Paris 1919” as I type this.
İf you have a good cd player or dac you need to spend a lot to surpass them…
After trying many deck/arm/cartridge/phono cut combos of 1k-10k they were not way better than my cdx2/xpsdr… they were not better actually:)
If youngsters actually want to play their recently purchased LP, and not just admire the artwork , then do not buy a £49.99 record player from your local supermarket.
The quality of the unit will do the vinyl no favours and is likely to actually damage the grooves.
Also, what goes around comes around. Cassete player by Nachamichi anyone I’de like a Dragon.
Douglas.
I remember a report about the well-regarded Telarc label who started using the Directstream digital recording equipment and recorded some classical concerts on both their existing analogue and their expensive new digital equipment simultaneously. At the end of the day they listened to the results and were disappointed as they liked the analogue output better. Somewhat concerned the next day they did further recording with the digital equipment and did an A/B test with the original live source. It was exactly the same and the recorded digital sound was the true sound (but maybe not the one they liked or had become accustomed to !).
Vinyl has become cool, the artwork is much better. While I agree that vinyl is a match for any digital source providing you invest in the turntable sufficiently, I doubt many of the trendies buying it have a sufficiently good turntable for it to outperform cd.
I love seeing it back in the shops again but I hope that the crazy prices being charged for it don’t kill the golden goose. Record companies are sadly too greedy.
Jonathan
Suspect the sort of person who appreciates the nuances between non-digital Ektachrome and Velvia slide fit also is likely to go for analogue turntable . They are very similar issues.
I don’t see how you equate the appreciation of the differences between two different slide to a preference for vinyl. What on earth is similar?
I have a niece and a nephew, and a son. The niece and nephew are each married, and they have vinyl rigs. They like the involvement with the music, the tactile feel, flipping vinyl at parties, and displaying the album covers. The vinyl resurgence is surprising to me. We play more CD’s that LP’s, and they sound almost as good on the CD555.
My son has a UnitiQute2b and an original MuSo, and a mesh network and a giant NAS of music using the NaimApp. Nothing tactile about it but it rocks.
Each to their own.
They are incredibly similar issues, when digital photography was in it’s infancy camera manufacturers used to talk about how many pixels a camera could take. Blithely ignoring that slide film in particular had many more pixels, indeed Fuji Velvia has fifty million pixels. Slide lost out because of the convenience factor , in the same way vinyl lost out to CD.
In both cases a slightly older but less convenient product lost out to the more upstart digital product
That users are going back to slide mirrors the resurgance in vinyl . Each of the brands had their own distinctive approach, Fuji Velvia is by far the richest and especially noted for its greens. I like Ektachrome Pro for it’s detail and subtle hues.
You’re talking about digital vs chemical photography. From the post to which I responded I gained the impression that you were suggesting that the fact of whether someone can appreciate the difference between two different film emulsions means such a person is likely to prefer vinyl, and it is that that I don’t get at all. I can see and appreciate the differences between different film emulsions, but to me digital through the right DAC is better than vinyl.
One fundamental difference between the photographic and and audio recording medium comparisons is that the chemical film is less compromised in not having higher noise compared to digital, though other aspects of its limitations can or do have parallels, like dynamic range and wear. I prefer film in many ways, but use digital primarily because of the cost of use, meaning that as a poor photographer I can take a large number of images and pick the good ones, though also convenience for general purpose pics which is 90% or more of my usage. Against that, I think streaming digital music from my own store sounds better than vinyl, all else being equal (unfortunately there is a lot of digital music out there that has been bastardised by the mastering - which is nothing to do with is being digital per se). Until very recently I think digital photos were distinctly inferior if used for large prints or projection (but absolutely fine for computer screen viewing or smaller prints) but they have certainly been catching up - though at quite a cost for the camera, compared to camera requirements for film.
And they were wasted with 99% of the lenses produced in the past. My Fujifilm lenses (on an XT2) produce results that are markedly sharper than anything I got out of the best Nikon glass on an FE2.
As things are at the moment, I will stick with CD. While I’m
prepared to pay a premium for vinyl, 2 - 3 times the price puts me off. For a significant number, it’s just a fashion statement and while the record companies can cash in, they will grab all they can … but it wont come from me. 
I have quite reasonable record deck but to be honest, I never feel I’m losing anything by playing digital.
I blame it on digital - I have been amazed at how difficult/ impossible it can be to have a streamer eg naim nds set up to permit listening to music from eg qobuz. So darned complicated. Records are so very much easier to relate to; they have potential to sound magnificent; and the “full size” covers/ artwork looks great.
Peter
Surely trying to play LPs from a remote store is far more difficult? Presumably it requires a remote controllable jukebox at the other end and conversion to digital and still the NDS to receive, or were you thinking transmission by FM to a tuner?..
Tony wrote
There’s been a vinyl revival?
Didn’t know it was dead in the first place? How can you revive something which is not dead?
Don’t even get me started on that semantics bloke! Is he still at round?
Same for me. My TT is easily my best source. Perhaps resuscitate? It was an industry in the doldrums.
The cost of some LPs is a bit of a piss-take, But the Tool ‘Fear Inncoulum’ CD package really rubbed it in and I would not pay that much for a CD
There most certainly has been a vinyl revival!
Maybe old fogies like you and I (I don’t know how old either of you are but sincere apologies if you are teenagers or in your twenties or thirties) have never abandoned vinyl, but it is an undeniable fact that nationwide music store chains that had abandoned vinyl altogether very many years ago now stock more new vinyl LPs than they do CDs. Up until the last few years vinyl availability was limited to a few specialist stores (I visit one such store regularly) almost exclusively selling used LPs, with a handful of (very) expensive new offerings.
My original post was not to claim that vinyl had disappeared - I do myself have a Michell Orbe turntable, and have owned turntables since the early to mid 70s, even if nowadays most of my vinyl purchases come from the used market. Rather, it was to wonder at the younger generation who must have turned to vinyl in a big way in order to account for the large stocks of new LPs now available. As far as I can see, these same people do not appear to be purchasing turntables that could potentially sound as good as similarly priced digital devices available to them.
So why the revival amongst the teenagers and those in the 20s? Simple short term novelty of physical music media (LPs are attractive - or at least I think they are); nostalgia for those who have been brought up with parents or grandparents who owned turntables? I don’t think the major factor for them can be sound quality.
I’m still struggling for an answer, particularly given the ridiculous price of such a lot of the brand new vinyl releases.
I should add that I understand the mini revival of the cassette format even less.