3.12 Firmware

Hi,
Thanks a lot for all of you guys asking after me - I really appreciate that! I know, that there are a lot of very nice people here (incl. a very observant moderator), who do care for the opinions of other (or have the manners to ignore a posting, which does not fit in their opinion)
Even 2 more posts coming in while I am writing here :smiling_face:

Last Friday (after repeated approach on me) a line has been crossed. Not being exceedingly sensitive here - but simple to old for this …
Even without my thoughts on 3.12 the thread became bumpy :laughing:.
For peace keeping it’s read-only for me (for) now.

Thanks again for your lovely (off-topic) posts! :folded_hands:

Think that FW-Gate could be officially ended - even without my blessing.

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Probably a wise decision.

Keep on keeping on and enjoy the music. Great as this place is it sometimes is just a distraction.

.sjb

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Hi @stavrose

Sorry for my delayed reply, I have spent a fascinating day at the exhibition ‘The Music is Black: A British Story’ in the newly opened V&A East in London. I was there three hours - but needed much more time to take it all in!

The reason for my question to you was that I wanted to understand the level of supposed ‘intelligence’ in the various AI tools and their capability in responding to questions about audio reproduction in the home environment.

For example; depending on the AI tool used (and also whether one pays for ‘better’ answers), a query text submitted by one user may produce a different result to an identical query text submitted by another user. My understanding is that this variation relates to the history of previous queries of the particular user.

The conclusion I have drawn from this one sample example (of asking for the results of your AI query) is that AI tools are plain dumb. The AI tools are most likely aggregating much of the potential nonsense that gets repeated on social media and hence provide no meaningful or really informative (c.f. technically accurate) coverage for the question posed.

PS: I appreciate that perhaps you and I take different perspectives on this?
I am after all a ‘Mad Measurement Monk’ (reference).

Nevertheless. I feel that if one wishes to explore the more likely reasons for perceived differences in sound emerging over several days for a (physically) unchanged arrangement of electrical equipment, the areas to look at are:

  1. The specifications of equipment involved (and any variations with temperature of the equipment and sound transmission medium - i.e. air).

  2. The relative humidity within the listening environment (i.e. the air).

There is previous thread exploring some of this (Physics and HiFi).

FYI ‘firmware’ (as an explanation) would not be at the top of my list.

EDIT NOTE: The following paragraph has been amended to more accurately describe the situation pertaining to the graph and comment below. It is perhaps unfortunate that the technical reviewer for HiFi News did not report the specific software/firmware version number when testing and reporting.

Nevertheless, it is the case that sometimes (when in early development or perhaps due to small errors in software coding) digital audio equipment may not handle some aspects of digital input reliably and consistently separate to the above considerations. The Naim NSS 333 is one such example and at its launch in 2023 the HiFi News magazine tested the product including the jitter performance of digital inputs of USB and S/PDIF.
The published results and technical comment in HiFiNews were as follows:-

"in this instance there was a marked difference in low-rate jitter between USB (10psec) and S/PDIF (3345psec) inputs [see Graph 2]. Naim will be issuing a firmware update to remedy this."


High res. zoom jitter spectra with 48kHz/24-bit data (S/PDIF, red with mkrs; USB-A, black)
Copyright: HiFiNews (December 2023).

My apologies for this lengthy reply - it may stimulate further thoughts and discussion - but as I don’t own such equpment I have no current means of veryfying the HiFiNews Lab Report from 2023?

Can you explain ? The review is nonsense or the 333 has flaws?

I am definitely enjoying 3.12 a lot. It definitely allows the emotions of the artist to be felt.

As it appears most like 3.12 - how many have experimented with turning on/off the various unused inputs. Or for that matter being a server or automation on/off. I know there is no web client but still a lot of chances to fine tune things.

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Like the latest update. I find my self listening more to radio less to streaming services. What I don’t understand how Apple Music airplay from Apple TV is better. Much better.

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We just went through app and turned off every input we don’t use. Same as we would have done via webclient, and as we’ve always done since installing NDX2.

Sounds fantastic, no tweaks required (which is the way it should be).

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The only thing I can’t turn off is Chromecast, which I do n’t use. I clicked a checkbox somewhere a long time ago and now it is on forever…

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A reset will clear it.

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Oh, OK. Maybe I will do that when I feel like it. I do n’t want to loose all my presets.

Out of curiosity, is there anybody using the Naim app inside an emulator like Bluestacks? I was wondering what the best emulator could be (possibly a light one, Bluestacks is too big).

This might be a handy alternative to the webclient, at least to select the source from a computer without using a physical remote.

You can selectively enable/disable Chromecast using the API on OC / ND streamers,
http://192.168.0.2/api/setData?path=settings%3A%2Fgooglecast%2FtosAccepted&role=value&value=%7B%22type%22%3A%22bool_%22%2C%22bool_%22%3Afalse%7D

confirmation message:

It can also be enabled through the API,
http://192.168.0.2/api/setData?path=settings%3A%2Fgooglecast%2FtosAccepted&role=value&value=%7B%22type%22%3A%22bool_%22%2C%22bool_%22%3Atrue%7D

power cycle the unit.

A search for “Disabling Google Cast” should uncover the original post from Stevesky.

Ok thanks. I will look at it later.

The ND5XS2 just crashed for the third time. It is getting a bit annoying.

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Naim recommends now a hard reset after the 3.12 installation. What I read recently.

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Really? Where did you read that? The only way to do a hard reset is using the pin, right? That is not easily done in my case. It used to be possible to do a reset from the web client, but that is gone.

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A hard reset is just bonkers, surely Naim can come up with something better. Innous release updates every few months I’ve never needed to perform a factory reset.

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Sorry, maybe it was just reset, not hard reset. At least it was reset.

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Would anyone care to comment on how (specifically) 3.12 has changed bass?

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The review has some omissions….
The installed software/firmware version number in the NSS 333 under test for one.
Furthermore, the complete description of the jitter test does not refer to any other test of digital source material, but simply has an oblique reference to the ‘digital RAM buffer’ and the inadequacy of the SPDIF vs USB (for stable clock recovery).

Note: italics are my inserts

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Hi Chris. Yes, I updated last night and have the same issue with the Serve. It seems to be just when Transcoding to Wav though. I turned that off, and can see the album art in the NDX2 window using FLAC. I go prefer to listen with Wav though, so have turned display off in the meantime. Album art is fine via Tidal, Radio etc. There may be some further comments up the thread a bit, but I haven’t reached those yet!