Yes of course, but what I would really like to understand is technically why there is a problem of usage.
At the extreme I would think that using other interconnects and speaker cable constitutes a modification of Naim equipment
I don’t think that there is any problem with usage of suitable cables.
However, the combination of what Naim defines as a modification and the site’s rules mean that usage may not be a problem but discussion certainly is. Too much on this simply wastes Richard’s time as he is required to remove any comments that touch on the subject.
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Although if we think about it Naim HQ did deem the cables that you refer to as relevant enough to try out. I do understand though why we can’t discuss certain third party cables. It’s not like non Naim SIGNAL cables can’t be discussed so fair play.
There is, as far I know, no objection to taking about cables carrying power -see the thread on M6 power blocks. There is also no restriction on cables carrying signal, as you say.
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Discussion about cables carrying mains into the component like the Powerline are acceptable but those that carry current between components not because the component guarantee would be invalidated if the route cause was deemed to stem from the third party cable. Fair enough I say. My dealer gave me a strong relevant verbal assurance so I based my purchase decisions on how each cable effected the sound. Also I feel that buying from a company like Chord is not like buying from Mickey Mouse Cables Inc etc…….
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It’s quite nuanced Nick, as Richard says in the Forum Rules FAQ quoted below discussion of cables passing DC between Naim boxes is not permitted, nor modded Naim PSUs and 3rd party PSUs for Naim kit.
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It’s a question not only of performance, but of liability and warranty when things go wrong (as they have sometimes done in the past). If your 3rd party PSU, “SNAIC” or off-piste Burndy causes damage to your Naim equipment (as is very possible if not quite right) then usually whoever made the “SNAIC”, PSu or Burndy likely won’t want to take any responsibility and it will be deemed to be down to Naim as maker of the affected electronics to underwrite the damage. Naim are happy to put up their hand and say “mea culpa” when they know they are to blame, but when it’s not their fault because you’ve ignored their advice and requirements…
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One example would be, how in hades did one of my Morgana end up with a din/xlr mounted 180 opposite to the other side cable. At the time I thought nothing of it, I just twisted the cable to fit. In hindsight could’ve of been a disaster on one of my 135 with no hope of repair in the next six months, living in NZ!! I know my fault to fit but when you get something that’s exciting as a new audio play thing would you not do the same?
What about some of the other weird things out there that seem acceptable. The Grahams hydra falls into this category IMHO.
Of course the reasoning behind acceptance of responsibility seems quite reasonable
Rooster, we are talking about cables that carry d.c. supplies. Not signal cables. Of course it would be interesting to hear how this could be a disaster
AFAIK Naim have no issue with customers using non-Naim mains leads, although they would advise customers stick with the supplied lead or go Powerline.
Hydras can work well so long as they are properly made and utilised as intended. Naim have themselves used their own hydras over many years in the past with good results.
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It is a shame that they do not take responsibility if the problem is really due to a defective supply line. I’m not sure, maybe they do. Given the cost of certain cables i would hope so.
And I’m talking about incorrectly 3 party wired cables.
When I visited the factory a few months ago I was told that several of the top guys there use hydras made up for them using Powerline cables. Not something commercially available sadly.
Yes I realise that. The Din-Xlr interconnects between the 252 and 300. I would expect the cables just not to work rather that cause a „disaster“ rooster. Of course if one is messing around while music is flowing that’s another matter
There is something commercially available from the German distributor called powerigel with a powerline version. I tried one but they are a bit of a pain when trying to achieve nicely arranged and dressed cables. It was quite better than a hydra and musicline power strip, but of course won’t correct issues with the supply
From what was said I got the impression that the ones that Jas Gould and co use was made up for them at the factory but if I’m wrong then I will stand corrected.
Hi Jodl. So those are Powerline cables? I read your system profile. You haven’t bought Chord Music mains cables to go with your Music signal full loom?
There are two versions of the Powerigel, one that uses Standard Naim mains cables, and a more expensive version that uses Powerlines.
I found no real advantage with the Powerigel over my Naim-made hydra, although it did look nice. However, a Powerline version would undoubtedly be something else entirely!
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