Analog vs digital PRaT on Naim amps

Hi all,

I’ve been listening to a lot more vinyl recently and noticed my foot tapping a lot more with my TT vs. when I listen to my NDX2/ps555.

I’m just wondering if this is an analog vs digital thing?

Does your foot tap more with vinyl vs. streamed or CD version? Does analog sound dig deeper into our music souls?

Or perhaps it’s the routine on putting vinyl on, so you’re already more engaged with what you’re playing?

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Oooh… here we go.
Buckle up!

My take, the music itself determines that, not the manner in which it is delivered.

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You don’t say which TT you have so it is difficult to make a meaningful comment in response to your findings.

In my current system where I have two fairly evenly matched sources, I would say it depends on what I am playing. Sometimes the TT is better and sometimes it is the 333. Getting a foot-tapping level of PRaT is about having a well-matched system in my experience.

@paulbysea it’s only a modest TT (Roksan Attessa) and over 10 times cheaper than my streaming source. The NDX2 is more a lot more detailed etc. Yet like I said, I find my feet tapping a lot more with the TT which I find strange?

Does your foot tap more with vinyl vs. streamed or CD version? Does analog sound dig deeper into our music souls?

That’s my experience but I’ve not owned a wide variety of analogue and digital sources.

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Good evening Richard,

I too have a NDX2/555 and I have to say from a local FLAC>WAV it’s the most fluent and rhythmic I’ve ever heard from digital reproduction, far more than with CD, but ultimately my Xerxes still flows more. But as ever, and as has been said, it’s also very much down to the recording/performance.

Either way it’s all good.

Regards,

Lindsay

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@richardjpaterson further to above if you like what the Roksie does don’t go and hear a Vertere!

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@LindsayM A Vertere is on my future demo list, along with Avid. I love what my “relatively” cheap TT does, but it has nothing like the resolution of my streamer. I’m looking forward to what a higher resolution TT will sound like.

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Yes, generally prefer the sound of my LP12 but despite many parts being older it is comparatively more expensive than the Nova as a makeshift streamer into a separate pre/power system.

It can be influenced by the music however, and I often think that poorly recorded compressed sounding complex music can sound worse on vinyl compared to equivalent CD/streaming.

Yep. Sometimes music will trigger involuntary music tapping, with no consistency as to source or sound quality - even flat screen TV sound can do it, or piped music in a shopping mall. I don’t regard foot tapping as anything of importance, certainly not a mark of either engagement with the music or sound quality.

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Well, I think you just prefer the colorations of the analog source vs the digital source.

Hmmmm interesting this

Have to say that my naim Dac v1 was quite foot tapping and so was an NDX2/ XPs Dr when I heard it

As for a turn table vs digital I think in my view I’ve heard a chord mojo playing the same song as my turntable and they sounded about the same in terms of flow of the music… @Simon-in-Suffolk also owns a chord Dac.

Highly recommend to try a chord mojo 2

It’s more likely to do with RIAA eq with record playback, that eq errors tend to enhance the bass rhythmic frequencies and dynamics a record playback system.
A good DAC will render these without exaggeration just like a good cartridge/ phono stage. However this rendering quality tends to require higher quality DACs compared to a lesser quality TT in my experience…

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I’m not sure I prefer, but my feet certainly do :joy:.
But yes, I’m sure this has a lot to do with it. I can believe how good a cheap TT sounds through a 282, 300 and Kudos 606s :+1:

That Simon, I’m new to vinyl so had to look up RIAA.
Thats interesting and you could be right. Therefore, it can just be me who feels more PRaT with vinyl (perhaps more low entry level TTs?)

indeed :grinning:

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Neil1906: Hi sorry to hijack this thread Neil, but I was searching for advice about my Rotel RCD855 and stumbled across an old thread that you were helping with. I have similar problems and would appreciate your advice if you wouldn’t mind.

Hi,welcome.

It would be best to start a new thread rather than divert this one.
I’m far from an expert but ,like many others here, always willing to assist if possible.

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As you allude to Richard it’s not “better” but “different”, even a Rega RP2 will present music in a way that is preferable to some over the most expensive digital system. But there’s so many variables, mastering, pressing, tracking, phono stage and cartridge loading, WAV/FLAC, how the DAC does its job?

Vive la difference!

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I can only comment that I can play 5 or 6 LPs in a row but not as many CDs or digital files.

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