No idea, but it’s got to be good.
Mike, it doesn’t remove the distortion at all, it’s just a high pass filter that removes low frequency components (frequencies substantially below 50Hz, specifically 0Hz, so, in effect, it just moves the zero crossing point of the line voltage to achieve equal energy in the +ve and -ve going parts of the waveform).
Incidentally I also noticed a significant and unexpected improvement in sound quality.
Indeed, just trying to keep it simple -
The (important) thing you’re omitting is the caveat ‘in my system/installation’. Naim obviously can’t individualise their designs to every customer’s home/mains supply. If you hear an improvement that’s great but it doesn’t make the device universally beneficial.
don’t the hi cap DRs negate the need for all this supply filtering/conditioning?
No, hiCap is a big transformer, which can buzz if you have DC on the mains. I used to use SCap buzzer. In the end I gave up.
The Naim DR’s regulate the various DC voltages that power the pre-amp & various control circuits. Power conditioners are intended to clean up the 230v (115v) AC mains power.
@HansW,…Hi Hans,.excuse a little late reply.
I have many that I should write answers to,.I’m thinking…I write an answer to this later,and then goes the time and I forget it.
•So here,.I give an excuse to everyone I have not responded.
Hans,.always fun to meet one from Sweden here,but we may stick to English so everyone understands .
But back to your thought regarding Cableoholic.
As I have written before,.so I don’t really understand his priorities,but if I’m going to place him in a compartment…then it will probably be more in the “Round Earth” direction.
My Cableoholic-friend has an almost fanatic interest,.but it has many of us here .
But his overall knowledge of the importance of things and installation,.placement etc is a little less.
I,.who are the opposite,can feel a little frustration here.
Example: With his set,.installation of his music-system,it is absolutely not possible to make a fair comparison between different products. Okay,.you hear differences,but there are so many bugs in his installation so you are thinking every time.
Is it an improvement,.or compensates it just for any malfunction of the system,hope you understand what I mean.
It is easier to explain this in Swedish.
•I have talked to him about this.
So now under the fall,we will try to make an optimal installation of his music-system.
He already had a dedicated mains from the “fuse cabinet”.
But we have replaced the cable to a much better…Jorma Design Duality from the fuse cabinet to his powerblock.
He has of course ,.Furutech’s and Oyaide’s best outlets after the walls.
And a variety of high-quality powerblocks,.therefore I do not mention the one that it is now talked most about on the forum…for then he buys it at once .
First,.the installation should be finish,after that,he can continue to buy if he wants.
But then it will most likely sound so good,.that he just wants to buy new music instead .
Hans,.A week before I got to know my Cableoholic-friend in December 2018,.he had bought this Tube-amp…
Amp: Line Magnetic LM219 ia class A.
Below,.from a review linked to Stereophile…
“Line Magnetic makes these amps in China,but do not think for a moment that this is just another cheap chinese amp because
A: It is not cheap and
B: It’s build rivals amps made in the U.S.A. that cost over $20,000 and up.
C: Once properly tubed up it will rival any amp I have ever heard at ANY price.”
Of course,.my friend has bought the legendary Western Electric 300B tubes for this Tube-amp.
As a speaker,.he uses tripod-speakers,but heavy and very well built.
They weigh 21kg each without the stand.
Speaker: Aurum Cantus Volla
Below from a review…
"I must say that the Vollas are excellent loudspeakers.
They have reflected accuretly all the system upgrades,and just when I supposed they have reached their climax,they have amazed me with new dynamics, depht, speed, transparency, soundstage and a deep and tight bass.
The cabinet is very heavy (21 kg), solidly constructed and beautifully finished,
DESCRIPTION
Design: 2-way, 2 unit
Frequency Response: 35Hz-40kHz
Dispersion: Horizontal off axis 30°, -3dB
Sensitivity: 89dB/W/M
Impedance: 8 ohm
Power Handling: 50-200W"
Source: As a source,.he uses a two year old top-model from Oppo (forgot model number,but it was the best two years ago).
He also sent it to a well-known company in the United States for upgrade.
The upgrade cost as much as this Oppo.
Power conditioner,…Unfortunately,.he has one.
I do not remember the name,.but it is a top-model.
It has also recently been in the United States for a major rebuild and upgrade.
Cisco-switch: Of course,.an advice from me .
He’s like I wrote,.more a “Round Earth” guy.
But I try to get him to think more about Source First.
In addition,.he has the best home cinema-system I have heard…only top-products.
But that’s another story.
And of course,.to both of these system… cables, connectors, sockets, cables, connectors, sockets, cables, plugs, sockets etc,etc in lots.
And not to forget,.a number of powerblocks .
But as I said earlier,.I just must love him.
This became far,.but a last word…
I have not met anyone with so many,.lots of expensive,extreme cables throughout my hifi-life.
And I have had the privilege of getting “playing” with most things.
To use a Swedish expression “it is totally sick”…but at the same time incredibly fascinated.
/Peder🙂
It’s a good job your friend doesn’t like alcahol cos he’d be drunk 23 hourd a day.
Oh Peder what about all the Furutech NCF stands both for speaker cable lift and all the NCF iec inputs including for the wall, as he is missing out on some top notch improvements! I think he’ll only need about a total of 10 in all just think Peder that’s ten sets of SQ improvements.
Henry
@Henryski,…
•1. I do not understand this,.I presume it is some kind of English humor.?
•2. Henryski,.All people have a limit,.it has also my Cableoholic friend .
We can joke about it,.but we should not forget that my friend is 100% serious.
As well as,.it’s real top-notch products he buys,that definitely contribute to better soundquality.
I have now,.by knowing him,been able to gain new experiences.
And has the opportunity to try,.test and “play” with products that I have not had in my “radar” earlier.
And neither would be thinking about,.I would never buy a power cable for £7257:-…
I think .
But,.so that you do not misunderstand me,.this power cable is very, very, very good.
Entreq ES PaD
New toys today above,for my Cableoholic-friend.
These on the right side of the picture are sold in a set of three,.and should apparently be very good.
It is Entreq’s top-notch “feet” and costs in a set of three £590:-.
It will be interesting to try them with my friend. Below a little brief information from the manufacturer,.Entreq.
"With the design of the ES PaD,we have focused on the transfer of very high frequency vibrations & energy.
In our design process,we found that this area of the frequency spectrum had a far greater influence on actual sound quality than we would have ever thought possible.
The ES PaD is barely 35mm high and incorporates a threaded multi faceted hard acrylic base, with a mineral filled soft Pad making direct contact with the equipment or product itself."
/Peder🙂
He probably wanted to lower the noise floor to improve sound dynamics and resolution.
Sharing is caring.
Peder wrote…
•Power conditioner,…Unfortunately,.he has one.
Mike_S wrote…
•He probably wanted to lower the noise floor to improve sound dynamics and resolution
@Mike_S,…We do not seem to have the same problems with the electricity here in Sweden.
We optimize all the solid electrical equipment in our homes,.this I wrote about in my deleted thread “suggestions for powerblocks”.
Then we have dedicated mains to our music-system,.with a good powerstrip/block…
Thats that.
According to all our experience,.these products that you advocate,provide a soundquality that becomes more…
•Laidback.
•Lifeless.
•Dynamics-limited.
And that it cuts transient-peaks.
But those who listen to hifi or details,soundstage instead of music,.they like these products.
Just like the end of the 1900’s within Naim and Linn,.who was Flat-Earth.
Other hifi = Round-Earth.
A friend of mine has these products above,.but with EU-contacts.
They are among the most extreme you can have in the products you advocate Mike_S.
•Shunyata Hydra Triton.
•Shunyata Hydra Typhon.
And the cable between Typhon and Triton.
They cost in Sweden…
•Triton £10 000:-.
•Typhon £10 000:-.
•Cable 2520:-.
Total £22 520:-.
My friend obviously loves the soundquality of his music-system.
But all of us others,who heard his system (many),.think it plays as I described earlier.
To add a little,.it plays cleaner,clearer,with much details.
But boring,.incredibly boring.
•But as I said,.we are all different.
However,.if you install your system to play the best possible music.
Yes,.then these products will be removed for us.
/Peder🙂
kharma enigma veyron powerblock: 25 k
In the USA they are currently on sale:
Shunyata Triton v.3 is currently on sale for $5999.00
ShunyataTyphoon QR on sale for $5999.00
Includes Shunyata Sigma Umbilical Cable
State of the Art stuff
Hi Peder,
the Typhon isn’t bad at all, even in a Naim context. For those with noisy mains it can be hugely beneficial by reducing glare and hardness while leaving the energy. The Triton is very different.
If your mains is clean however, I wouldn’t spend a second thinking about the Typhon.
If your friend allows it, remove the Triton from the system and listen again.
Well, for some conditioners that may be the case. But not for others, or we wouldn’t be using them
Peder, just trying to say he is obsessed with power cables and so he should check out the NCF iec and lifters as he is missing out, it’s not just about power cables you know which you friend i think is overly concentrating on.
Anyways i purchased a set of Terget Audio spike feet with elastomer under insert for 18 dollars plus postage from Canada. They were much cheaper as they were a c grade production run as they have a little bit of glue on the side which can be removed. Anyways things needn’t cost the earth!
It doesn’t look state of the art more like a few tubes and cables knoked together with a fancy case. I’m sure Mike B could knock up something similar in an hour or so for a 100 pound or less!
The wiring looks sparse too.
I could of made better in my woodwork class as an 11 year old for 20pence or something. Peder you must have too much money, my friend!
Henry