I am thinking of insurance terms , new for old . Second hand , not sure about price but the new for old would sure have any loss adjustor tearing their hair out .
Yesterday the nice man from DPD delivered a McIntosh MCD85 SACD/CD player. After allowing for a little burn-in time I am mightily happy with the rich taut bass, the clear midrange and sweet crisp treble. Some Rory Gallagher CDs played on the McIntosh sound a lot better than rips played on the NDX2. Such a beautiful and lovingly-crafted machine as well.
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With my ndx2/555psdr I don’t miss my cds2 or my 01 tuner. Not one bit.
I love discovering new music and the sound quality is a bit better.
Naim radio ( hi res and standard res) beats my 01 in most ways…and 100s of radio stations all with perfect reception.
My 2c
David
I m not about who uses what just needed to be informed what i am missing out by a format i cant figure out because so much simplicity seems to be given away to access some tracks you dont have - when this would not be the majority use of the system!
My CD are all racked Alphabetical each has a sticker put on when bought noting tracks to Delete, tracks you could play and Star # tracks you Must play.
So load CD punch in 6 tracks (in your preferred order another adv) with program button press play sit back, hardly navigating. I can not see streaming to be a more simple or direct
way to access music so i must be still missing something? # # #
I do understand though Generations who explored the music replay realm via phones and MP3 not under standing that their latest and greatest was actually given to them in a quality
format less good than cassette! Right its the 2000s and it is Digital who would think that it is not current technology but it has actually gone back 30yrs. look it’s portable and you dont even need speakers just ear thingies.
So we then move from here to Down Loading in PCM 16 bit quality nothing wrong here you can fill your computer up and let it run party style, but it still wont pass my lounge room test.
With streaming you just pay a subscription dont have to store or own anything just pluck it out of the air anytime. Something soulless about you having nothing but when you are coming off such a low base as MP3 well i want it! The commercialisation of Streaming is
driven by 2 Generations of people who have been able to skip T.Ts and CD players and go straight to GO. That others feel this is somehow an upgrade is about as fathomable as other peoples music choices.
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On the other hand, being 77 years old, I think I am not in either of these two generations that you are speaking, and I made the transition to streaming and find
that the search function has allowed me to find music by my favorite artists that I never knew existed and enjoy it. I suspect that lots of Old Streamers frequent the forum. Of course many do have TT and CD players, but I focused all my resources into streaming to get the top SQ, and my CD player is just for fun. If I had spent on a TT also, I would be at a much lower SQ. I had no vinyl and no cd collection when I restarted this hobby for the second time after a long hiatus.
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As I replied previously ‘it’s a matter of individual choice’ but I feel the points you raise require an answer.
Your requirement to ‘tag’ favourite tracks etc can be dealt within a digital environment in a similar or even easier manner, again it’s your choice if you wish to use colour coded sticky labels.
The MP3 generations you refer to had no real choice, it was the music industry who packaged their music in this medium, they had no say in the matter. Personally as a father and grandfather I have always advocated the value of good hifi, my son has my CD collection and old Linn system and my 22 year old grandson my record deck, Quad system and vinyl collection, they both prefer this to MP3.
I not sure what you mean by ‘your lounge room test’ I assume it relates to sound quality from your system. My lounge digital system cost approximately £27,000, excluding cables and speakers, and I can assure you is more than a match sound quality wise to a conventional CD replay system, my Naim kit in the living room system also has incredible sound quality.
You appear to confuse streaming with digital replay. Yes I do have a streaming account, Qobuz, which can stream high resolution files up to 192/24, but I also have an audio server to which I have ripped all my CD’s. I find streaming a good way to check out new music, if I like it I buy the CD and rip it.
Hopefully this response conveys that just because people subscribe to digital replay they are not interested in sound quality, there is a lot of interest, knowledge and investment on this forum to underline this.
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Be careful what you say in public about this. It’s very unlikely that you’ll get caught, but what you are doing is illegal and Naim could get into trouble for hosting such a conversation on a public forum.
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Thanks Chris, no illegality intended but will amend post.
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@66richard The picture you paint about two different societal generations (iPhone/MP3 vs vinyl/CD) is far too simplistic and is at odds with my own experience. I grew up with vinyl/cassettes/CDs and have made the move to pure streaming (no other source). I have found it liberating and I’ve never enjoyed music more than I do now. I don’t know anyone outside this forum who is under the age of 50 and buys physical media! I’ve not bought a CD for over 10 years.
The idea that streaming is more difficult or complicated than playing a CD or vinyl suggests you’ve never tried streaming. One of the main drivers of the streaming revolution is convenience. With streaming you have most of the world’s music at your finger tips. I can find and play a song from the comfort of my chair using my phone before you’ve got off your sofa to make it to your CD rack. You ask the question why anyone would stream, whereas I ask the question why would anyone not stream.
We’re each entitled to our own views and choices about how we access and listen to music. Perhaps you should give streaming a chance - you might be pleasantly surprised.
Aside from not understanding what there is to program about a CD, in the time it you to do that you could do the same with a tablet or other device controlling a streamer, and programming a CD requires a display regardless of whether you call it a screen! However what is easier with streaming is you don’t have to find the CD or return it to its correct place to ensure finding next time, no need ot open teh packaging, check for dust or fingermarks, put in a drawer, fit a puck etc…
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Using a physical media require a little discipline but in the end it is well worth the effort, all the more you feel better as you know you have made a contribution to the authors.
Streaming reminds me of people armed with computers and remote controls going through hundreds of songs only to hear the first 10 seconds then switching to another just like today’s kids unpacking dozens of Christmas gifts of which they don’t even remember the next morning…
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Quite an oddly distorted view. I have in recent months listened to all main Bob Dylan albums on streaming from beginning to end, several times. I would not have bought 30 CDs for that (and could not do so for all the music I listen to on streaming for money and space reasons).
When I own a physical copy that I bought 20 years ago, the artist has more benefit when I stream it now.
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I agree regarding the benefits to artists, but otherwise why is physical media worth the effort, what are the benefits ?
Streaming must also remind you of using this forum, computers, using your Naim kit, remotes, sorry the 10 second thing and kids unwrapping their Christmas presents is lost on me. I remember CD’s, rips and streams equally the next day, there is no difference, it’s all music.
Good for you i may have done the same, but you have to admit the key is in your last sentence.
No coloured stickers just single white and track No. eg.3.5.6.12.15. if you can do easier good for you. Lounge Room test? you would have to read back for meaning of original discussion it is not about sound quality at all but convenience of use in the lounge room conditions
that were stated.
I have not found when at a Dealers coming up with the Artist getting the required LP and then selecting the tracks i want typing things in to be other but difficult slow and annoying so for myself i can drop a CD in select tracks with absolute certainty. I mostly play LPs so any time factor that you say you do even faster than my CD play is not a value. Also if you were to " Read Back" i want to get up i am not playing single tracks here.
You ask why anyone would not stream the answer is because they do not need to.
They have copious amounts of CDs and LPs and want to use them because they like them!
Have ferreted out any missing music they need so want for nothing and are not looking to absorb any new generational music. The question or one of them is why some people feel the need to transfer over a thousand items to this format i was curious based on my own experience what the upgrade or benefit is that i don’t understand.
The description i gave of Generational change is how society transferred through that period, for people on the cusp or individuals the experience may differ.
If you have a different view of this transition please provide it, another view point
would be welcome.
Not all streamer users behave like a kid in a sweet shop, although I can see how the temptation could distract you. For me it offers a great way to discover new music, but once I’ve found something I like I will return to it and often listen to the complete album, just as I would have done with vinyl.
On the other hand I do see the younger generation who were raised on streaming mostly listening to single tracks rather than albums, and they seem to judge whether or not they will like a track based on just the first few seconds of listening. I’m sure many of us have learnt that it can take time for any piece of music to grow on you, and I for one would have missed out on a huge amount of great music if I had adopted this way of listening.
If you have a proper CD player the remote has buttons for Delete and Program the No’s you
select become your play back this is the greatest convenience that has ever been in Hi Fi
and Stupidly left off many current players. And no you do not need a screen or even to view
the CD player. I have often thought some did not get the best outcome from their CD system
by storage ,return is simply to the visible vacant slot, or having the above mentioned remote. Also our main source is LP so talk of dust etc. or time taken with a CD means?
Let us just say the inconvenience of an LP is a pleasure.
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I know this is not the subject under discussion nor is it one i follow but i keep reading things
that for down loads/streaming artists get like 0.002 cents if they are lucky.
One chap was on TV the other day got something like $200 for a Million Streams/ Downloads.