Chord GroundARAY - brilliant or bollocks?

My dental hygienist says flossing is more important than brushing, as it helps remove material that cases the acids that attacks the gums.

Well it would make sense as it’d be a more expensive premium component - I was shocked by the cost of terracotta clay pots at the local garden centre recently!

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No I don’t.

See previous explanation.

If you want an analogy that easier to understand than electricity, just ask and I can explain it in simpler mechanical terms.

Morning @LindsayM

I did them same after a demo with Peter @Cymbiosis - took 2 home which was then 5 Pin and Internet - to me the Intenet switch did not very much at all - the better the switch in your system so sent that back and @Cymbiosis sent me a USB

so I have x 2 of these inm my system - 5 Pin into the back tuner of my 252 the USB is in the back of my QNAP 251 + 1

and from this owners point of view YES they do work and NO i did not try it blind - all it cost me was time and little effort

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As the thread has descended into repetition, silliness and snarkiness, I’m asking @Richard.Dane to close it.

Silliness. Are you refering to your post last night.:grin:

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My problem with these is not themselves but that they are marketed as improving your system; not that they may or may not make a discernable difference that may or may not be beneficial, but that they WILL improve your system.

Then Chord go on to give a garbage pseudoscience explanation that is clearly false. If they said “We don’t know how they work” I could accept that. But I can’t accept pseudoscience that I KNOW to be false.

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Please don’t. It is highly entertaining

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That’s a concern. I was hoping to get some to use as cable supports.

It’s a bit pointless explaining thing in more detail when the things you’re explaing are irrelevant.

For example.

I used a term Virtual ground, (made up the term) which referred to something that Nordost refer to as Artificial Ground. You chose to write a paragraph about something that you know as Virtual Ground, (connected to the sockets on a power amp). Which was irrelevant and a waste of your time.

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Are you suggesting that an established and well regarded company is lying? Or just that you know better?

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Some people in their marketing department without sufficient training in critical thinking or the relevant knowledge of physics or electrical and electronic engineering may believe that explanation.

A lot of well established businesses, some or many of which are well regarded by many people, use pseudoscience in their marketing. Some on occasion use misleading terminology, which may be deliberate, or even falsehoods, which when spotted by the relevant authorities in some countries, certainly UK, can (and on occasion has) resulted in advertisements being required to be withdrawn, and even prosecution. These things have happened to well-known businesses, including in the hifi world (though I am unaware of any prosecutions for false or misleading information in the hifi world). It tends to be the marketing side of businesses that produce the wording.

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It would be a shame to close the thread because the same discussion will probably just resurface elsewhere. This isn’t so much about a specific product as it is about (mis)information and subjective testing in general.

A next thread that will surely get to a similar point in due time is the revived EE8 thread where people first only bought audiophile switches, but are now also replacing the switching power supplies of those switches with 3rd party linear power supplies (even though Chord advises against using linear power supplies with the EE8).

It’s fascinating because it often only takes 1 audiophile on a forum to report a drastic uplift in sound quality, for a whole parade of others to ditch their existing equipment (which used to work just fine), and swap it out for the new wonder solution that will make their equipment sing like a choir of shining angels in front of an inky black background.

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You provided no caveat that the term was made up and had no link to anything in reality (indeed you didn’t even put the term in quotes to indicate that it wasn’t a generally accepted term). Had you specified this I wouldn’t have needed to point out that within the context under discussion (i.e. the operation of electronic devises such as audio amps) that term exists and has a specific meaning, therefore use of a technical term relevant to the subject was either inappropriate or intentionally misleading. By whom this issue was caused is a different question, as you were misquoting someone else who used a different term (also mostly incorrectly, but in that case for different, less categorical reasons - largely because it cannot function in the way that is implied by the term used).

Saying that a box of crystals can act as a virtual ground (either actually as in the technical term or in any way that can be inferred from the term ‘virtual ground’) is simply wrong. Any attempt to design an amp or system on that principle would fail. Incorrect use of terms like that is a best misleading and such lack of knowledge can potentially be very dangerous. (e.g. Reasoning that since a ‘virtual ground’ isn’t influenced by mains noise, why not make an improvement to the system by using one instead of the polluted mains ground connection - it’s a virtual ground so it’ll work fine, what could go wrong.)

If you wish to engage in technical discussion about electronic engineering (other than for the purpose of learning), please first ensure that you have a reasonable grasp of the basic principles before criticising those of us who do understand.

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Flexible or stiff might be useful!