New Naim convert.
Love the forum it’s so helpful for newcomers and on the whole very respectful so hope this continues.
Listened to a suggested track on Qobuz: by Hania Rani - Hawaii Oslo (from album Esja).
When the double bass kicks in around 1:35 it’s more of a noise than an instrument i.e. it’s not particularly defined and sounds a bit off.
Fortunately I’ve not heard this sort of uncontrolled base from the system before.
With a relatively new set up I’m not sure if it is a limitation of the track (clipping/poor recording) or my system. My concern is that speakers require more control.
Grateful if someone, with one of the many vastly superior systems to mine that adorn this community, would test or if they are familiar with track would share their opinion - clipping or potential system issue.
Should list your system details.
Its in their profile
Apologies, I thought you could see it on profile.
Copied below for ease:
NUC8i3BEH Akasa Plato X8 > ND5 XS2 > NAIT XS 3 > ProAc D20R
Thanks for replying
You can it’s me that couldn’t.
I’m not familiar with your speakers per say but they do have a similar bass port system to my Kudos.
So can only really suggest some speaker placement options out from the wall or corners they look a very deep cabinet.
For the rest of your system there is nothing that would stand out to make me think that they are bass heavy.
Perhaps the amp is running out of steam depending on your listening levels.
Hope this helps.
Thanks and yes.
Listening levels are relatively low say 60 decibels (well according to the Decibel X app) so shouldn’t be straining the amp but it sounds like it is!
It havn’t heard LFE overload on others tracks consistently and I like electronic music (so plenty bass heavy tracks) so not convinced it’s speaker placement as they are > 80cm from any wall.
Are you familiar with track?
Not familiar with that but I have this CD and track 3 and the last one give me the deepest bass pedals I’ve heard in the house.
Sounds more likely to be a loudspeaker/room interaction with a room mode excited rather than clipping. How big is your room?
Interested with where your going here - dimensions L 4.6m, W 3.5m and H 2.5m.
It’s a trial and error scenario regardless of the room dimensions lots of other things come into play.
Wall materials Stud Plasterboard " drywall"
Brick and plaster.
Floor construction suspended wood or concrete etc.
Basically the more flexible the room is then the more likely it is to resonate.
The album you mention is Hania Rani performing solo with a piano. So no double bass. I listened to the track and found it to be quite beauty with no clipping or recording problems.
From a review on ‘Everything is Noise’ states: Esja is a full solo album that doesn’t feature any other instrument besides the grand piano that Rani plays herself. With the common aesthetics of neo-classical music, there are some side noises like the piano pedal that create an organic feeling. The general style that Rani uses a lot on Esja is a very percussive one, where she uses the chords as patterns and simply adds minimalistic melodies to the background.
What a wonderful track, I love this sort of thing. I wonder if you know of Otto a Totland?
Anyway, it’s not double bass but some sort of deep keyboard, as so often used on these classical / ambient / electronic albums.
There is no boom or overhang whatsoever on my system, which is in a room the size of yours, just a clean and deep bass, sitting below the piano. My ProAcs are a lot smaller of course; I can’t get reflex speakers to work in my room.
btw: the NAIT XS 3 should have no problem with your ProAC D20 speakers.
I listened to the track streamed from Qobuz at 44.1/24 as an FYI.
This work thing gets in the way of enjoying music!
@Skeptikal - thanks
My room walls are brick and plaster and floor is suspended covered with lino well Karndean so probably not optimal.
@seakayaker - thank you for taking your time here.
I’d not heard of the artist, stumbled across it in Qobuz’s My Weekly Q playlist so we are listening to same track.
Was a definite standout and album well worth a listen (if on a streaming service), if I was more artistic I’d be able to describe it better but hypnotic and graceful are as good as I can come up with but do like it!
Glad it sounds good to you so probably a gremlin at my end.
Found a video version on Tidal - sounded different again definitely piano only but through my AV amp so not comparing eggs with eggs.
@hungryhalibut - thanks.
I don’t know Otto a Totland but will look him up.
Looked at your set up - like what you’ve done there which neatly addresses the problem of ports.
My speakers are infront of a semi circular bay window so adds a spin and twist to room dynamics. Fortunately, the bass on almost all other tracks is not as jarring as on this one. I might need to look at some room acoustics before upgrading amp!
Thanks again all - much appreciated.
There are multiple versions on Qobuz. There is one with just the prepared piano, and another with the deep bass. I have SBLs and it sounds wonderful here. Just a mild bass which is underlining the repetition of the piano in a balanced and equal way.
My other (ported) loudspeakers would do a worse job, but SBLs are brilliant for this kind of music. They are good for what they don’t do.
Hifi is an acquired taste but Ardbeg no doubting that - cheers!
Actually, the more flexible the room, the more it acts like a bass trap, absorbing instead of reflecting energy.
Room resonance is actually caused by multiple reflections causing certain frequencies to decay too slowly….
The best music room I’ve every had has 2/3 of the front wall as diffusion and lossy walls, ceiling and floor. The room can take large amounts of bass without loading up and the music sounds extremely physical and thrilling, like a lot of live music does.
The worst room I’ve ever had had concrete ceiling and floor and solid brick walls. Costs me a fortune in various treatments to get rid of excess bass, flutter echos and early reflections and never really sounded completely musical and natural. As we moved out the first thing to go were the room treatments and with them gone, the room was to all intents unlistenable.
This is exactly my experience too.
My previous house was new with concrete floor/ceiling and walls. An acoustic nightmare that never sounded right. I hired a specialist company to measure the room response etc. The amount of reflections and their durations were such that it would indeed have cost a fortune too correct. Besides the fact that I would have looked pretty horrible too. After a few years I solved it through a divorce and selling the house.
My current house is more than 100 years old with flexible beamed floors and ceilings etc. If placed behind a curtain, I would not have believed I was listening to exactly the same system as before, only in a different room (of nearly equal size btw).