Farewell to Naim CD5 CD player

Farewell to NAIM

Back in 2003 I bought a NAIM CD5 with a Flatcap 2 and I have loved using it ever since. Among those of us who like a good sound system, contentment seems to be fleeting, but I don’t conform to that characteristic, so I guess anyone who starts to look at this thread will probably stop somewhere about now.

The strange thing about the very modest system for which the CD 5 ensemble became the primary source was that in my lounge, it worked very well. I have friends who are more typical hifi afficionado’s and the odd thing about my system was that it seemed that the components and the room had found a sweet-spot and it confounded people who heard it. It was an Arcam amplifier and a pair of Epos ES 11’s and what they did together they did very well, and what they couldn’t do, they gave up trying in a very gracious way. For my hifi friends, they knew they were not getting everything, but what they did get seemed so beguiling, they didn’t mind. I guess this will be another place I will lose readers.

But the Arcam amp died, so replacement made me look again. By now I was so old, I was having “If you don’t do it now, when are you ever going to do it?” conversations with myself, and I can assure you that one recollects more youthful aspirations at such times and I had always though I would like to try some electrostatic speakers, so the search was on for something with a lot of power. When your starting point is a zero budget, this presents a challenge and it was resolved by finding a recent, but used, Musical Fidelity M6 500 amplifier. Having a kilowatt at my disposal should suffice for any further aspirations that might grab me.

The first thing I learned with that installed was that I while needed to be careful with the volume control, it was much less problematic than I imagined. The second thing that became abundantly clear was that the ES 11’s sounded even better than ever. I was prompted to try a few experiments, and it didn’t seem to matter what speaker was being driven by the M6 500, the speaker did a much better job with that amp than it had ever done with anything else. To put in a good word for NAIM, I think the reality is that superior power supplies mean that the grip the amp has over the speaker is such that the transducers have no option other than to DO EXACTLY AS INSTRUCTED. That is my experience.

I decided to move the ES11’s to my second home, and they were replaced as temporary measure (with speakers called Quadral Chrome 8’s), simply as an inexpensive stop-gap until I could source some electrostatics. In fact, I haven’t bothered because I am amazed (two years on…) at how good they sound. Everything the NAIM stuff produced was so much better. Contentment was restored.

So why is it farewell to NAIM?

The CD player had a little glitch, as the rare earth magnet started to break up and wouldn’t properly clamp some discs. NAIM Support were extraordinarily assiduous in trying to help, but to no avail. The fix would be a replacement transport, but the received wisdom is that there aren’t any that actually work. I documented elsewhere on this site the eventual fix, which it cost six pounds to effect, but it made me wonder what I would do if it ever became unfixable.

One of the things that one needs to do if one has a second home, as I have, and likes a good sound system, is to figure out how that can be achieved without duplicating all the sources one already has. My solution in my second home was a streaming DAC with an in-built hard drive to which I ripped my CD’s. Streaming from the Internet as a source was simply not an option. BT sell me a very expensive (compared with fibre) copper landline Internet connection that on a good day will give me 1Mb per second download. If it rains, it might not work at all.

It must be acknowledged that if you have two different systems in two vastly different houses, they are unlikely to sound identical. However, in my second home, I now had the sensation, and I use the word “sensation” as a starting point, because while I expected things to be simply presented differently, I had this sensation that some tracks had more than I expected, not less, and over time that developed from a surprised and sceptical sensation, to a slightly baffled conviction that the system in my second home was being sent bits that were absent in my primary residence.

The device I had bought had a lot of guff about how the ripping process stove to make a “bit-perfect” digital copy of the ripped CD’s. The guff says it doesn’t perform a single read and digital to analogue conversion in real time which has to happen when a track is played. It reads the data more than once and stores it when it has the best copy it can achieve. I thought that could be a possible reason for what I heard, but I could not possibly know. But it is not an artifact of different listening volume or anything else I can think of. There are sounds I hear now that I didn’t hear previously. Contentment was disturbed.

If you got this far, I should remind you I am old, and the “If not now, when?” stuff kicked-in again, so with the January sales in place I took the plunge, and I have replaced the NAIM CD and Flatcap2 with an updated version of the streaming DAC with internal hard drive as the source in my primary home. I am getting the same effect. I still don’t know, but I think there is now compelling evidence that something is different, and that is with tracks I really like.

Put that another way, I play tracks where I know every note. There are some tracks that sound just fine; just as I remember them; and there are others where I can hear things that I am absolutely certain have sounds that I have never heard before. It is invariably lower-volume sounds within the track, but there are timpani sounds and cymbals and other low-level stuff too. I think I must emphasise that this is not a consequence of a listening session where I want to listen to the hifi. I get the revelations even when playing a few tracks to accompany my tea and porridge. It happens when I want the music, not a critical analysis, but somehow what emerges from the speakers is not quite what my mind-map expects. Frankly, I couldn’t be more pleased. I am happily reverting to the status known as contentment.

My conclusion is to bid a fond and profoundly grateful farewell to the CD5 and Flatcap 2 and to say that my own experience is that NAIM got that product absolutely right, and their predilection for excellent power supplies is no gimmick. Farewell to the NAIM boxes, which have been my source of contentment for twenty-two years. I wish you all contentment with great products from a sensible manufacturer.

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Only skim read this post, but the above + plus ‘zero budget’ comment grated.

What you do with your own resources is entirely up to you. However best to exercise discretion, regardless of how you arrived at this position.

Every few weeks the hound drags me to the coast for extensive walking. Second home not considered; locals and that includes pub/hotel staff can’t afford house prices where they literally grew up because of the negative phenomenon.

I would say much more but rightly @Richard.Dane will consider this outside forum rules.

Best go quietly or sensitively, without inversely justifying why you can’t afford new or used Naim kit!

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And the model is…

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Great post SH
Martin

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Max

What an unexpected and interesting reply. thank-you.

If I am completely honest my enforced expedition into replacing the amplifier pushed me into more typical hifi aficionado territory than I had ever ventured before. The CD5 ensemble was still working fine, and one seldom misses something that one has never had, and ripping the CD’s felt a bit like heresy. At the risk of sounding as though I am stereotyping ladies, one of the perennial problems one of my hifi buddies has is keeping his other-half happy with what he is doing. My partner has been known to give me one of those looks from time to time. We have coined a phrase for this phenomenon of mild disapprobation that suggests we are pushing our luck. We call it “see-fret”. My friend lives in a coastal region. I am about to stow all my CD’s in a cupboard and thus make our lounge a lot tidier and it did not escape my thinking that this may have a secondary benefit. From where I am standing the see-fret is clearing, too.

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Sorry Stuart,
on second thought I removed my post but glad that you appreciated.
M

A matter of opinions, actually. I didn’t understand S-H’s reply, but perhaps something is lost between languages.
I found nothing worng with the OP’s post. The System Pics’ thread is full of indirect testimonials of extreme wealth but since they refer to Naim gear it’s all perfectly ok.
I may be misunderstanding something, but S-H’s censorship is to me unmotivated and hasrh, and tastes a little of another member’s attitude towards things he disapproves.

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Perhaps I should put my “zero-budget” remark into context. My system had been a source of contentment for years and then it failed. I had been lulled into thinking that it would last more or less for ever, so I had zero budget set aside to replace something I had not thought I would need to replace. My second home was not a budget factor. The experience of trying to get a satisfactory hifi system there is the only reason it had any relevance.

As for second homes, I confess that my feelings of guilt are present and on-going. I am absolutely not insensitive to the situation. However, my guilt feelings are mitigated by the fact that no-one else seemed to want a 400 year old Grade II listed thatched property, up a forest track where I routinely have to tell people that the first third of a mile might make them think they have made a mistake, and the last few hundred yards will be an act of faith that there really is something there. For business purposes we have had to install two satellite communication systems because BT quoted us fifty to sixty thousand pounds to install fibre. We have our own water supply and sewage. The electricity is literally the end of a line. It fails periodically. Nobody local wanted the place. When we go there, we make our contribution to the local economy. Because we don’t live there all the time, we pay double council tax for the cottage. Curiously, the locals are friendly.

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Auralic Altair G2.2 is the latest model. It has to work over the in-house Wifi network because stringing cables around the place was not an option at either destination.

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I think this thread needs a second home in the Lounge :-))))

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Possibly, but the point of my original post was about sound quality.

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I too have left Naim albeit in different circumstances. I remain in the forum as it’s a largely accommodating place and whilst I’ve strong opinions on which Naim gear works and which doesn’t (for me and my ears) that isn’t the primary focus of my remaining.

As a Welsh person the second home thing will always leap out from a post but on this occasion I thought there was something much more interesting in there, which was the idea of two systems with different sound signatures owned by the one person.

It’s not an idea welcomed, tolerated or even believed by many who love their audio systems but as I got older I not only realised that I wanted/needed a different sound signature but also that, given real time, your ears, instead of remaining at the starting point within shows and shop demos of “that doesn’t sound right to me”, simply adapt and become used to the positive attributes of a different set up.

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Although tolerance might be, I don’t think getting used to something is by any means a feature of old ears: I think peoples ears get used to a sound whatever their age. Witness the many discussions on here that on manners of changes where the result has been a sound someone doesn’t like, yet over time something they ascribe to “burn in” happens and they find they then love the sound. I don’t think I’ve ever yet read a single instance of change due to “burn in” resulting in somebody at first liking the sound and after a while finding it changes and they don’t like it. Becoming accustomed to the sound is simply a human phenomenon/capability - and that of course is a very good thing where what anyone is looking for is something to enjoy spend many hours hearing (maybe different when looking for best fidelity).

What ageing ears give us through gradual declining of hearing quality may be reduced sensitivity to at least some sound limitations. This especially unassisted by hearing aids but even with hearing aids sooner or later limitations will happen.

The “as I got older” was a reference to me and me alone and not making any general point about age leading to this soecifuc change. or sure how you read that into it tbh.

Isn’t this simply “I replaced a 20 year old cd player with a streaming solution that doesn’t have a Naim badge on it.”
Naim themselves have pretty much done the same, yes there is one cd player clinging on to its badge, but it’s at the bottom rung of the entire Naim range. All the other sources are streamers.

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Not quite.

With an unreliable, 1 Mbps download BT supplied internet speed, streaming is not a practical option. I am egocentric enough to think I should be able to listen to music when I want to, not simply on the occasion that the copper wires are actually connected to the outside world to make that possible. I respectfully submit that most of us want to listen to music when it suits u. not on the off-chance we might be able to do it.

Cellphone reception depends on whether there are leaves on the trees, and whether they are wet, and even on a good day, I will have to go into the garden to get a signal. I don’t want to be bothered by what all that means, so I bought something that overcomes those foibles and permits me to listen to my ripped CD’s from an installed drive in the streaming DAC, and the point I was trying to make was about the different things that I hear as a consequence.

I loved the NAIM product, but I didn’t want to have to duplicate every CD I own. Having found a way to avoid that, when I played the music, I got something unexpected. That is all I am trying to say.

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I think it was the word ‘your’ that made that part seem as if it was generalised not personal!

You can stream from a hard drive full of ripped cds, it doesn’t imply subscribing to tidal or qobuz.
There are many other hifi companies that are making brand new cd players now; exposure, fell, creek, leema, Cambridge, musical fidelity, Cyrus … there were quite a few at the Bristol show in February.

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The fashionable thing to say these days (normally political) is ‘I didn’t leave Naim, Naim left me’. Which is true if you want a decent spec integrated amp or CD player or a CD ripper. It’s a worry. I’d always expected, for instance, to move to a Supernait if my 32.5/hicap/250 ever let me down but that’s gone. It’s a rum do.

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hi max
the forum is generally a very friendly place - in cases like this i find the ignore option (click on user then top right change normal to ignore) and yes i am ignoring s-h

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