Except, perhaps, the climate!
in France, in the seventies, the summer was hotter. From what i rememberâŠ
Yes the climate is changing.
If you look at the data itâs most dramatic with carbon dioxide (CO2) levels, its the highest its been for millions of years.
Temperature however (the alleged cause of the deaths) is not so obvious, the hottest years of late were less than 1âC above the average for the 20th century.
There have been many such heats waves in Europe & the rest of the world, all causing deaths, e.g. the 1757 record was not broken unto 2003
But I fully agree the trend is alarming with all the warmest years occurring since 2000.
in 1976 it was specially hot in France. However the scientific observations begun only in the 80âs.
Same in UK plus 1976 was a record breaking drought (no rain)
1976 is recorded as the cause of 20% âexcess deathsâ in UK, compares to cause 59% excess deaths in 2003.
Never before in human history like this summer.
From NASA, Summer 2019, Earth burning on all four sidesâŠ
In the midst of my great contradictions, it is the same thought that repeatedly shakes me in this and other similar forums, even in my daily life. It is worrying, more, overwhelming; but at the same time, also the same, the misinformation media, and the vast majority of people as if nothing happened, already intuiting that something is not as always and that business is not as usual, but at the same time evading uncomfortable information and looking at the messengers as if we were Martians finished landing.
Anyway my gut feelings tell me we will finally end up in the way of what we deserve.
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yes, but was there more hotter days in july to august during 1976 or during 2003?
yes, but has it started in 1976?
No, it started earlier, and accelerated from the 1st Industrial Revolution and exponentially from 1950.
In their work âThe Great Accelerationâ, pic below, Steffen, Broadgate, Deutsch, Gaffney & Ludwing (2015) comment that when they started their research they already hoped to find a positive correlation between the increase in indicators of human industrial development and the degradation of planetary ecosystem indicators since 1750; but what they didnât expect, and most surprised them, was that the correlation has become exponential since 1950.
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how to know if it was hotter ( xxx days) in 1976 vs 2003 or not, in France and UK?
I guess, with a little patience and time, that information will be publicly available on the net.
But in statistics, a global result is as anomalous away from the mean as multiple partial and minor observations distant from it; and an intelligent, cultured, educated, well-versed and traveled person like you should just have to look around and tie up a few threadsâŠ
i just didnât found that info on internetâŠapparently not enough well informedâŠ
Perhaps you can dig further ?
Information is online, dispersed and fragmented, but it is: in France and the UK there were more hotter days in 1976 than in 2003, and also than in 2018; but peak temperature records were higher in July 2018 than in July 2003 and than in July 1976, although not in June. This is explained by particularly anomalous conditions that converge in the summer of 1976.
If we left France and the UK, the anomalies regarding the average were greater in 2003 than in 1976, and even greater in 2018, and, above all, much more numerous and dispersed in the most recent years, 2018 over 2003 and over 1976.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44943672
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/09/21/the-european-heatwave-of-2003/
Remember my previous comment on the laws of statistics, 
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Records for the United Kingdom were first recorded in 1841 but you will need a lot of data to sort whatever you are looking for, also remember one area e.g. London will have different temperature/sun/rain days to Manchester & different to Edinburgh. Obviously the same in France
2003 was not a severe heatwave in UK as it affected only the southern half of the country
1976 was the longest but not the hottest, although it ranks as the 2nd hottest average temperatures & is equal with 2018. It depends how you dissect the data, so many permutations will give different outputs.
2018 was a very long but variable hot weather period. Starting in April with above average temperatures & no rain, it cooled in early May & then rose again throughout June, records were broken in July & in mid August it went back to average.
2019 saw the highest recorded temperature in UK, the heat period was not as long as some Iâve known but until the final data is published I donât know where 2019 will sit in the data tables, I suspect in the top 5.
from your both infos, the longest very hot time period in France in summer was in 1976.
Yeap, it seems that way, albeit with higher temperature peaks in 2003 and even higher in 2018, though certainly for less time.
Weâll look at the 2019 recordsâŠ
Yes same in UK, 66 days âofficiallyâ but not the hottest