Integrated Amps Discontinued

Indeed. There are a few self appointed moderators on here.

Enjoy the tunes :grinning_face:

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Indeed, and I have noticed that the resulting speculation on these products, the company itself and its market, which has often been informative, but which has also tended to spiral into negativity sooner or later, is now under active moderation, which I understand and respect.

It appears to me from this, and a number of other threads in the recent past, that Naim has no interest in maintaining any sort of support for, nor dialogue with, the middle ground of hifi enthusiasts. By middle ground I mean those wanting relatively low cost hifi separates that lend themselves to gradual upgrading, i.e. not “all in ones” but below the current new classic ranges. By Naim I mean the company as it is now, not the people in Salisbury. The big question is, is that through design, abandoning this particular market sector, or accident arising from production delays and/or the poor communication that has been the apparent hallmark of the Focal-Naim brand where Naim products are concerned? If the company is not careful to resolve matters pretty soon I suspect they will lose a chunk of hitherto loyal fans, and the goodwill of a fair proportion of those remaining.

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Honestly I’d not worry about it @Fumi . There are loads of other integrated amps on the market and various price points. Some are extremely good.

There’s nothing stopping you from finding the type of product you’re after. It’s a problem for Naim not the consumer. They can’t sell what they don’t make. Plenty of others do make them though.

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Out of interest where did these views of discontinuing come from? Looking on the Naim website, they appear to be listing and promoting their current integrated products as way to get into the world of high end quality..whilst enjoying the quality and trappings of the Naim sound (I am paraphrasing)

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Come on, it was not mocking. Not nasty Nina. Relax.

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The world is evolving into the “K” shaped economy for all things, including hifi. There is no middle ground.

For many of us, the Uniti series lacks simplicity and focus. I don’t have an issue with their casing/design. My issue is that my money is being spread thinner across more features I don’t want or need. The 5SI, XS3, and SN3 were all pretty simple boxes: pre-amp plus amp. Each an upgrade from the other. Solid. Simple. Focused. (To add insult to injury, all three are still listed on the NAIM website, along with the Nait50.) Aside from these IA products, which are either discontinued or limited edition, the only NAIM products that currently embody this ethos are NAC332, NAP250, and NAP350. NAIM has decided that these items must be on the upper arm of the “K” and Uniti must be on the lower arm of the “K” with nothing in the middle.

But NAIM isn’t alone. All of us can think of industries that are being bifurcated at such. We already have airlines configuring specific aircraft on specific segments that are like 75% business class and 25% premium economy. All of this reflects a world of extreme wealth inequality.

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Well she felt she was being mocked, and if it wasn’t intended, a simple apology is normally the appropriate thing to do…

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What do you base the world evolving into a V shaped economy on? … I read else where it’s the opposite… the rise of the middle classes in the developing world markets is creating stronger demand for mid level higher quality products.. luckily my investment returns appear to be supporting this too.

Or are you looking at a more a specific regional macro level market of hifi consumer electronic manufacturer.

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As long as there are dealers and distributors with stock out there, whether new, B stock, or ex dem, then the website will show the products.

Thanks.. so no more are being manufactured? Where was this announced? I appear to have missed it.

I believe that the mid market is in decline, and is seriously overcrowded with product. I find it difficult to believe, but I have seen it reported on a serious HiFi site.

Made me go and check the website and sure enough no mention, thought a while ago it actually had discontinued against the product affected. Certainly there was a few press releases to that effect.

Naim announced to their dealers and distributors that the final batches of the NAIT XS3 were being built back in October. I posted on here.

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Thanks.. wasn’t sure if temporary or permanent

You think i failed my apology ? Maybe I should have written « I am very sorry « at the beginning.

I don’t think it was planned. Driven by parts availability and the need to ring fence spares. But the longer it goes on, the higher the chance it is becomes permanent. Either as a commercial decision on their side or as a consequence of potential customers going elsewhere and forming new brand loyalties for those product categories leaving Naim without enough pie left to be worth chasing.

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Interesting, not being involved in consumer electronics manufacture I don’t see the challenges there are in its specific component supply. Perhaps it’s the cost of securing customised components from your supply line … or the cost of maintaining an appropriate supply for small (in general terms) production runs.

I was aware with loudspeaker manufacture there was a shortage of supply of cabinets that was causing loudspeaker supply issues with various makes in the UK.

I understand Naim’s mission adopts a philosophy around the engineering fundamentals of Space, Circuitry, Purposeful Materiality, and Technology. Perhaps it’s the Purposeful Materiality that is being challenged.

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Quite right, you should have.

We Brits are very understated unless we are apologising, which is our national sport.

C.

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Yes we can think of a few nations that are the complete opposite :grinning_face:

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