The design of the rack must have an influence. Presumably Naim equipment is optimised to work on Naims rack.
As the limetree will presumably be used on a variety of different supports, it’s probably not possible to state a particular type of feet will always be optimal.
I’ve reached a conclusion here. The Limetree is an amazing machine. I have one in another system and it’s a keeper.
But as good as it sounds on my main system, especially with Tidal Max, I’m going back to native NDS and its glitches.
The Limetree sounds good with my NDS. Very good. It’s a sound I could happily live with, and the functionality is excellent.
We’re getting into small margins here but the sound signatures are different. Native NDS has an analogue roughness to it that the Limetree polishes off. And I like that roughness. It just grabs me that little bit more.
I won’t be looking for any more transports for the NDS, I’m just going to accept what the NDS does and how it behaves.
It’s been an interesting experiement and big thanks to @Blackbird for your help on this. And to anyone considering a Limetree, my advice is give it a try. It has a very appealing sound.
The Limetree was close. Very close. But any possible deviation is enough to distract me. I’m not saying the sound was worse with the Limetree, not at all, but there is a very strong and clear signature to Naim. As I said, the word that struck me was ‘roughness’. The Naim sound in my system has a certain edge that reminds me of live music listened close up.
Never tried a better digital coax cable? I’d give that a try if I were you knowing how much they can improve the sound but you seem to have decided on your path now
I didn’t use the best cable, no question. And I won’t be selling the Limetree just yet. But I just like familiarity.
I noticed on my other system that the Limetree has a very sophisticated sound. It isn’t soft, top ends really sparkle. But it lacks that Naim roughness. Others might say that’s a good thing I’ve tried different cables with the Limetree and they’ve improved sound but haven’t changed the signature to my ears.
Is that a similar feeling as cohesion meaning the sound sounds together and not separated? If so I understand what you mean and it is a fine balance to keep it yet still get more out of the system. I’ve had very expensive cables in my system that some might like very much but which lost the naim cohesion and drive of a performance which is what makes it sound musical and engaging. In my experience it is possible to keep the naim signature yet get more information out of it but it is a puzzle to make it work and it’s not always more expensive means better.
The native Tidal presentation to my ears might be bit more together but lacks dynamics, air, soundstage, depth, micro details and all this but I very much understand if one prefer one over the other. I listen mostly to jazz and love the presentation Bridge II with the rest of my digital chain presents to me since it sounds more real and alive than native Tidal. All choices are the rights ones as long as we like what we hear
The worst type of cable to use with digital sound.
Try a good 75Ohm coax ideally RCA-BNC into the NDS.
However any protocol conversion to S/PDIF is going to be compromised. That standard allows for jitter. It was a compromise design between Sony ‘S’ and Philips ‘P’ just like the CD Redbook standard. If we could have just had 24/48 then! Or even 16/48
Hi,
I agree with the nds being warm and very analoge sounding (wich I very much like) but on the other hand having some edges which makes it very involving. But I know only how it sounds bare. On the other hand our systems are very similar
I’ve compared the original Bridge II with a modified Bridge II with original SMPS and Sbooster. It was a long time ago I tried the Bridge II with original SMPS.
Original Bridge II with original SMPS - Sounds pretty dead and restricted. Flow is gone. Micro details are gone. Bandwidth is more limited. More “digital” sounding and not as organic and inviting as the below alternatives.
Original Bridge II with Sbooster - Flow is back, more body and inner details. Overall a big step forward.
Modified Bridge II with original SMPS - More similar to the Sbooster. The modification is reducing noise on the DC input. The difference between the modified Bridge II with original SMPS and Bridge II with Sbooster is not dramatic.
As always, power power power. It’s always good to invest in good power where possible.
I’ve heard Bruckner on dCS and Mahler on Naim, and remember the timbral beauty, but the sound right out of the S-280 box and its analog signature, really put the hooks in me. I think once you hear it, you’ll be convinced. And hearing it through your setup may be a game-changer. I should add that the cabling attached was mesmerizingly good and very expensive.
I’m so happy with the evaluation of Lindemann Bridge II super modification that I’ll send my own unit for the same mod. Brings out more definition, bass is more easy to follow, better flow and separation. Overall a great update to an already great box. Will also order a Hifi Tuning Silver / Gold fuse for the Sbooster driving it. But the strange thing is that with this modified Bridge II the original SMPS suddenly sounds very good…
Just removed my Lindemann Bridge II setup since I’m sending it off for the modification so now running Tidal Native on the NDS. I can not understand how one cannot think Bridge II sounds better. Tidal native sounds dull, boring, slow. No micro details. Dynamics are worse. It’s not good at all IMO. Will start Audirvana again and use that until my modified Bridge II is back. The modified Bridge with Ansuz A2 digitalz sound glorius in my setup. With the modified Bridge I’m also back to SMPS so I’ve sold the Sbooster. Will evaluate Ferrum Hypsos later on.
Big Dan didn’t said that bare Nds is better. He just preferred it vs the Limitree / Nds for local streaming. Another one too. Preferred as more Naim sound. Another one too.
Tidal was not used.
I used it with ND555. Was hoping it would mitigate firmware issues. It didn’t although I wanted it to. It’s nice piece of kit in that it gives Qobuz to NDS. Useful with standalone DAC.
But prefer sound of ND555 to adding Limetree Bridge. Am keeping the Limetree for now, but its boxed up for rainy day!