Mana Equipment Supports Resurrected

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Now put these on and get to it. :+1: :rofl:

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At least the reverse psychology worked this time!

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Just about every rack thats made from metal and glass will ring like a bell.
I would think that the rack yoh have know is miles better than this for sound, vibration, etc.
Slightly worried that you already feel you’re missing or lacking in the sound and trying to do something about it with a rack. Like others had said its not going to do that, it at best will probably make it sound harsher and more bright.
The nait 50 certainly sounds nice just sat on a work top, so i would say its down to your speakers probably and having a play with these first would be the way to go. I would also try your other cd transport/dac and see if you still feel its lacking, as if you do then atleast it rules out the cd side. But as said i would be looking at speakers before anything else. Good luck.
Cheers dunc

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My god, but some commitment there.

I think everyone should save this pic and use it when you want something new to do with hifi. Show this first, then pick the misses or yourself off the floor, then say ok, i will get this instead then. Win win.

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I have never bothered to change the laminated MDF shelves on the Target rack for something more substantial. I did add some sorbothane hemisphere/domes in each corner for the top shelf to sit on for the turntable. In a moment of unusual weakness I then did the same for the remaining two. I still don’t know why. Anyway, none of the shelves touch the outer frame or supporting struts.

Does the 50 sound different? Don’t think so. I had it sit on the floor for a few days when the amplifier first arrived before using it on the rack. Couldn’t notice any change. Quite certain it was a good thing for the turntable though.

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Hi
I wouldn’t either until I seen how the shelf corners looked like crumbling when I put my 14 kilo Supernait on the shelf and the bend. :scream:
The shelves only touch about a 5mm triangle in the corners.

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Nòòòòòòòòòòò!

Stopppppppp!

DOn’t do it Pete!

Okay, do it, great idea, brilliant, fill your boots!

Good, you’re back on track, or should I say, ‘rubbish idea, total b******s’!?

Pete, we empathise!

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With own experience,I would kindly suggest to remove any soft material under the shelfs.

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nothing is 100% rigid. Newtons 3rd law.

For what it’s worth, my experience has been the opposite. It certainly is a pain to set up initially but, once done, it rarely needs revisiting. In the early days I would rebuild it every couple of years, out of habit, but the rebuilding didn’t seem to bring the same benefits as the periodic full unplug / replug, cable redressing, etc., and I stopped doing it. In recent years, I retune the glass shelf whenever I take my Linn in for a service, and that’s about it.

I suspect that much of the negativity from people who’ve heard Mana and disliked it arises from doing all the nuts up Linn-tight. I believe this is why my first audition left me cold. Mana is unusual in that it sounds best when the nuts are barely done up (paging @Skeptikal). I recall that some users omitted the nuts entirely, but that was a bridge too far for me. That said, I’ve noticed that, no matter how lightly I tighten them, they never come undone.

This detail is similar in importance to dressing your cables correctly, shaking your Burndies and SNAICs, etc.

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Funny, I don’t remember that one from physics!

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My experience from various things I tried along these lines many years ago was that soft compressible materials tended to make the sound ‘nicer’ but damped down dynamics. Conversely rigid couplings like spikes tended to emphasise dynamics and speed making the music more engaging but less ‘nice’ sounding.

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I think everyone is slightly missing the point here. If you use a stock Mana stand (welded angle frame) with glass shelves it will be pretty rigid, especially set on spikes and chips. However, what makes the Mana frame actually work is the slight compliance generated by the support boards. A properly set-up Mana frame should spring backwards, forwards and side to side just like a suspension system. In fact it’s using a torsional suspension system kind of like an old VW Beetle did. A Fraim full of equipment does the same thing but is slightly more rigid than the Mana. This is how it isolates the system against any damaging frequencies. So, in short, the standard Mana frame will be incredibly rigid but this is not how it’s intended to be used if you want to hear the full ‘Mana effect’!

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