Well I thought it was a thread about both without limitations. Sorry!
Phil
Well I thought it was a thread about both without limitations. Sorry!
Phil
I agree itās not really a meaningful comparison. The Confidence 20 are also going to want a lot of current driving them, likely requiring 250DR+.
I think a more interesting comparison would be Confidence C1 Platinum vs Confidence 20. I have C2 Platinum and am curious how the Confidence 30 compares.
No one is censoring you. They just arenāt agreeing your statement has merit. Thatās fair game.
So an update on my running in of the S40. After a few weeks, they have opened up a lot. The bass has become tighter, and the vocals have continued to impress. In some ways it feels like the tonal balance is moving towards the dark side, but it is a marginal shift and actually rather pleasant. I will avoid all the cliches about ālifting veils ā etc, but I will say that they have justified the upgrade from the Focus 160s. There are no areas where I would go back.
As an aside, I went for the grey ones. It is not really grey, to be fair, it looks more like a mid brown. It got the WAF instantly although she remarked that the shiny finish looked like a fingerprint magnet; fair enough, donāt touch them!
PeteW : I bought a pair of B&W DM601 S3 speakers for her. Tried them out at her house (when she wasnāt there, but on her dadās 52/250 set up. They gave a very creditable performance, but his SBLs (used to be mine!) are still a quite a bit better. Iām sure sheāll be very happy when we install them for her on Christmas Day.
Well i suppose something is better then nothing. However if the sub/s are capable of working cleanly up to 80Hz then i would say that itās best to not to waste their potential. If the sub/s donāt have the means to high pass to the mains and low pass the subs then an active crossover should be bought into play. This can effectively help unburden the mains of the bottom two octaves and passing this low frequency burden on to the subs/s.
A subwoofer is the most important component. Sub bass fqās are best left to a sub to deal with.
Thatās not how REL subs work, but weāve already had this argument before. I still donāt agree with your stance on it (nor does REL or my very experienced dealer of 25+ years).
Iām not going active nor do I need to. My system is setup as per RELās advice and documentation. If youāre so smart and know better, go tell REL to change the documentation and setup advice for their own products. Then Iāll reconsider what you have to say. Meanwhile I think you just donāt understand how REL subs work with their high level inputs.
All things being equal i personally wouldnāt be content with the subs/s sitting below the mains. Btw, itās good to be active as itās good for your mind, body and audio system
Thatās your choice to make for yourself about the former, and thatās just your opinion about the latter. I have no desire and see no compelling reason to go to the extra expense and complexity of an active setup, and itās not recommended for my speakers anyway. Doing so would defeat some of the design of the speakers that make them special.
Likewise
Btw, just to be clear i was referring to the use of an active crossover so as to effectively high pass to the mains and low pass to the sub/s
So you would need to put an active crossover in between your pre and power amp, with a (low level, presumably) connection from there to the sub. Is it possible to buy such a thing, and configure it to work any speaker/sub combination?
It seems logical to me that a sub would be of greater benefit if it were to relieve the main speakers of some of their workload.
That depends on the system. As stated earlier, REL subs are not designed to work that way. When used with the high level inputs they donāt replace the bass of the main speakers, they extend it. If your speakers struggle to produce their rated response, then drive them with an appropriate amplifier.
I realise that Rel subs, and many others, donāt do this. Iām just interested to know if there is a third party device that can. Either way, I presume it would need to use a low level connection.
RELs do have a low level (line level) input, but for music audio (vs home theater applications) they sound much better with the high-level input and full range speakers. I once tried the low level input from a HiCap into a REL and it sounded terrible.
I suppose a xover would be low (variable line) level and sit between the preamp and amp. The low-pass output would go to the sub and the high pass to the amp. But thatās another component and additional two sets of cables to deal with. Assuming you have a capable amp for driving your speakers Iām just not seeing the benefit, and think it might even have a negative impact on sound quality, if you canāt equal or better the quality of your Naim kit, not to mention dealing with a likely mix of RCA and DIN connectors.
Yes, an active sub woofer crossover (such as the one i use) to sit in between pre amp and the power amp. If the mains are relieved of the lower two octaves they will distort less and with all things being a sub/s will handle/reproduce these lower frequencies far more effectively.
Why send a boy to do a mans work.
Thanks, Iāll keep that idea on the back burner
[quote=āJosquinDesPrez, post:273, topic:904ā]If your speakers struggle to produce their rated response, then drive them with an appropriate amplifier.
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With all things being equal a subwoofer will do a better job at reproducing sub bass frequencies.
Yes, you said that, several time already.
Maybe Iām just really dense and donāt get it. Why donāt you repeat it like another ten times or so and see if anything changes. Hmmm?
Any chance this thread could get back to the topic of Naim and Dynaudio speakers?
Itās not really so off topic. Heās taking a stance and claiming my Confidence C2 Platinum struggle reproducing bass (although he has never visited and heard my system) and further claims I need to use a crossover to offload lower frequencies to my REL subs. Thatās not something easily supported for the 282/SCDR/250DR I have anyway, since it would need to integrate between the pre and the amp.