New Dune Trailer ... Just wow

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By the way: one of the reasons why I like James Cameron movies is the strong female parts.

In the 80’s was rather unusual

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The book is worth reading.

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Seems everyone is happy these days to totally forget about the Cremaster Muscle.

Ahahahah. It’s
. Fashion?! :wink:

Ok my thoughts about this:

Hoeks was overall really impressive, but similarly there, i was slightly disappointed by the conclusion of her story arc. There is a parallel between Hoeks’ and Rutger Hauer’s characters, both are reaching their ends after a prolonged fight in the water/rain (also they are both Dutch, which is quite rare in Hollywood). But where Hauer could show his depth as an actor in his final scenes, Hoeks was reduced to a dumb fighting machine.

That was a missed opportunity i think, because there were more layers on Hoeks character to be peeled off, and i’m sure she would have pulled that off as an actress. But instead of Hoeks as a perfect character for the later movements of the film, we are introduced to Carla Juri as a new character who doesn’t get nearly enough screen time to develop.

So i would have preferred it if they had let Juri out, and had done more with the development of Hoeks’ character as a main antagonist, or as a transformative character like Sean Young in the original.

I think these are exactly the types of decisions they made in the storyline that left me slightly underwhelmed, compared to the original Blade Runner screenplay. There is a lot of promise, but in the end it’s all just a bit flat.


Another few things that annoyed me in 2049:

Apart from the female roles, they really should have let Harrison Ford out. He’s just old and can’t act properly anymore, he is not impressive in this film just like he wasn’t in Star Wars 7, it’s useless fan service and it’s distracting from the main story. Ford’s arc in the casino city also lasts way too long and is much too detailed, it feels like a different film.

When the casino arc is finally over we are confronted with one of the worst story decisions in 2049 (in my opinion), and that is the sudden introduction of a ‘resistance’. This is all very poorly thought out and reeks of Star Wars too, it is also presented to the viewer in a really cheesy way. Since it’s already late in the film there is hardly any room for them to develop properly as a concept, so they stay mostly caricatural.

The whole part about the orphans was similarly superfluous and took a lot of time to conclude. This time could have been much better used to show us more of the actual city / underground and get us immersed in the world. There is a real population living in the city that we barely get to see, and it would have been great to spend more time there instead of 30 minutes in this weird orphanage somewhere on the outskirts.

Street settings like this could have made the film come much more alive:

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Thats an interesting write up. Your thoughts for some reason reminds me of “The Innocents” 1961.
The Psychological horror.
This had plenty of time to develop the main character Deborah Kerr Miss Giddens.
The other characters were somehow made more interesting by an absence - especially the ghosts Quint and Miss Jessel.
This also had an ending that at first seems totally underdeveloped but makes thoughts linger with imagination.

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There is a 5 hour cut of Dune. I have it on Japanese BlueRay and was so excited despite the fact Lynch took his name off to make it an Alan Smithee film - the pseudonym given to all films the direct wants nothing to do with.

Anyway
 it’s unwatchable. No one is making it 30 minutes in let alone 5 hours.

I felt the original was a flawed masterpiece. A mess for sure but a beautiful mess that got the aesthetic and feeling layed out by the book (to me the best novel ever written) spot on.

For those interested, I highly recommend watching the documentary Jadorowsky’s Dune. Truly the story of the greatest film never made that gave birth to Star Wars, Alien, and countless other iconic movies.

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Yes when done properly this is wonderful, the original Blade Runner also accomplishes this really well i think.

You might enjoy this classic sci-fi Ghibli short as well, i think it’s a lovely example of this kind of storytelling through omission:

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Watched the trailer :frowning:-(
Oh well I suppose it means we can carry on hoping, one day, there WILL be a film that’s true to the book :frowning:

The trailer works for me, it gives me goosebumps, but i don’t expect it to be fully true to the nature of the first book. It feels like a 2020 version of the story and that is probably what they were going for. I’m expecting something along the lines of Star Wars Rogue One, which overall was an enjoyable film for me.

My only hope is that they don’t bring in too much ‘funny’ oneliners and too much unnecessary social justice references. It’s going to be a close call i think, but so far i’m hopeful and still excited. :+1:

The problem is, I think, that the book is so well constructed and written, so imaginative and rich that we all have our own pictures of it in our heads that it would be almost impossible for a film to match those pictures.
The first film was, for me, so far away from what I had imagined that I just couldn’t like it. I hope this film will be better - but I very much doubt that it will be completely right, at least compared with the film in my head. That doesn’t necessarily make it wrong, of course.

It’s one person’s interpretation of the book, like all adaptations are.What works in books doesn’t always translate to the visual medium and how it tells it’s stories often bogging them down. Something’s just have to go and some things get adapted in a different way. I don’t ever go into a film of a book expecting it to be like the book I read and try to leave my preconceptions at the door. I judge it on being a film in its own right.

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This is so true. Different mediums need stories told in different ways.

Generally a movie of a book that is totally faithful is nearly always terrible. Only a subset of the fans of the book can appreciate such things. The exceptions being a few authors who write with multiple mediums in mind like Cormac McCarthy. And that is a rare exception indeed.

I appreciated the new Dune is another take on a text that is so cherished and dear to so many, the adaptation is a minefield.

I was fascinated by Jadorowsky’s failed approch in the 70s: create a movie of a book based on someone telling you the story (he never read the book). Which would have led to something so massively far away from the text that few could complain yet with intense attention paid to the spirituality of the story as conveyed to them. I like to think I’ll get to see his version in the afterlife.

To me the current Dune trailer doesn’t feel too far off from the spirit of the books, but this could ofcourse be subjective


A different trailer for a book series that i really love, Foundation (Isaac Asimov), didn’t work for me at all and i have little hope for that project:

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Also one must always take trailers with a pinch of salt. Rarely is this the way the director would like it portrayed or envisioned the project. It’s all the marketing dept and production often have little say on how they try to sell it in trailers. For this film they will be likely trying to sell it to audiences that don’t know about or have not read the book as much as the die hard fans to recoup how much this has cost due to the delays and the lavish production and post production costs .They will use certain shots and scenes out of context to make it work how they want and use more of some stuff as it sells it. That’s why you see more action in this one. The first trailer was more mood setting this ones showing you the scale of it. I bet it’s not as action led as we might think. Very easy to manipulate a film to look to be one thing when it’s another.

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The Fremen are showing too much of their faces. In the book all you see, when they’re not in their sietch, is the slits of their eyes. I suppose they want to give the various stars a chance to be seen.

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I sympathise with this. However you consume this film it is deeeeeply flawed.

I thought the expanded fan edit was long, but five hours!! That said, I do find my curiosity being tweaked :wink:

Have you seen the ‘SC 38 Reimagined’ film on YouTube?

As a friend of mine said, “It is hard to reconcile the Vader at the end Rogue One with the light sabre fight in ‘A New Hope’”. This bridges the gap nicely.

And VERY occasionally the film is better, Blade Runner being a case in point.

I haven’t seen it, i will give it a try, thanks!