I suggest you search the forum for info on this, its been questioned a number of times with @Stevesky Naim’s Software Director
He has said …
Re: Internet radio standards.
(this means internet radio standards, not internet streaming standards)
FLAC playback over the internet is actually FLAC encoded in an OGG container
… an OGG container is currently missing from the Bridgeco code.
Strictly speaking, it’s not the Ogg container as such that the 1st gen streamers don’t support, but the relatively unusual combination of FLAC in an Ogg container which lossless iRadio uses. The more usual Vorbis in an Ogg container, they do support.
Why exactly they can’t handle this format, I wouldn’t know, but perhaps Steve will enlighten us!
I thought it was to do with the underlying operating system certain systems were designed with which doesn’t support it
Hi Chris, a few months ago he did hint that he had someone looking into what was possible with Bridgeco. I understood it to be a longshot, but haven’t heard anything more.
It seems that Audiophile Jazz, from Greece, is no longer available in the UK. Is that a Brexit thing?
Edit: found a decent replacement in FLUX FM, also in 320kb/s.
It seemed to have disappeared from Canada as well a few weeks ago.
I have all of these stations with Roon, which deals with streaming formats over IP, then sends the extracted FLAC, as WAV files to the NDS.
There is even a test station in MQA 192, where the stream is unfolded in the Roon Core and presented as 24/96 WAV files.
No,
its also not available in Israel. and not only the jazz section, the rest section disappear too…
I have added the Naim Radio, Naim Jazz and Naim Classical flac channels to my Serviio online sources and they are all playing beautifully through both Kazoo and BubbleUPnP to my Naim Amps.
Have also added
Mixed - Mother Earth Radio (Germany) (flac 24/96),
Dance - Intense Radio (24/44.1 flac),
Blues - Radio Bluesflac (flac), and
Classical - Rondo Klasu Pro (Finland) (flac).
They are also playing well. Note Mother Earth is 24/96 so Hi-Res radio !
If anyone wants the URLs please ask.
Naim seems to have sorted out Naim Radio stations at last - well done.
Roon page reported " Audiophile Jazz, Lounge, Classical and Baroque seem to be gone" on 20th Dec. (https://community.roonlabs.com/t/audiophile-jazz-lounge-classical-and-baroque-seem-to-be-gone/130145) also Audiophile Blues.
Strangely the Audiophile Jazz (on http://8.38.78.173:8210/stream) is now streaming an Australian station on my system.
PS Not a Brexit thing I suggest.
Does anyone have current URL for Aardvark Blues FM internet radio ?
Like most iRadio stations it’s listed in the Naim app internet radio input. You just need to find the geographical location of the station and you’ll see it. No need to mess about with URLs.
I do not have IRadio on my Naim equipment hence I needed the URL for my Serviio server.
Found it eventually after much further digging - http://edge2.peta.live365.net/b77280_128mp3
Found some more flac radio stations
Pop - Chill Out Zone Plus (flac)
Pop - The Cheese (New Zealand) (flac)
Rock - Radio Paradise - main mix (New York, USA) (flac with metadata)
Rock - Radio Paradise - rock mix (New York, USA) (flac with metadata)
Folk - TMEFolk radio (Americana, Folk, Blues, Roots, Country) (flac)
Have the URLs if anyone wants them.
Mixed - Mother Earth Radio (Germany) (flac 24/96),
http://icecast3.streamserver24.com:18800/motherearth
Dance - Intense Radio (24/44.1 flac),
https://secure.live-streams.nl/flac.flac
Blues - Radio Bluesflac (flac),
http://streams.radiomast.io:80/radioblues-flac
Classical - Rondo Klasu Pro (Finland) (flac).
http://rondo.iradio.fi:8000/klasupro.flac
Pop - Chill Out Zone Plus (flac)
http://chillout.zone/chillout_plus
Pop - The Cheese (New Zealand) (flac)
http://thecheese.ddns.net:8004/stream
Rock - Radio Paradise - main mix (New York, USA) (flac)
http://stream.radioparadise.com/flac
Rock - Radio Paradise - rock mix (New York, USA) (flac)
http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flac
Rock - Radio Paradise - main mix (New York, USA) (flac with metadata)
http://stream.radioparadise.com/flacm
Rock - Radio Paradise - rock mix (New York, USA) (flac with metadata)
http://stream.radioparadise.com/rock-flacm
Folk - TMEFolk radio (Americana, Folk, Blues, Roots, Country) (flac)
http://ingest-ams.radiomast.io/tmefolk
Pop - Knixx.fm (Germany) (flac)
http://s1.knixx.fm:5347/knixxFM_dein_webradio_flac_studio_monitor_sound.ogg
Pop - Radio 2.0 (Bergamo, Italy) (flac)
https://vps.radioduepuntozero.it/stream.ogg (remove)
Pop - SuperStereo 1 (Chile) (flac)
http://198.204.228.202:8160/flac
Techno - Radio sputnik (house/techo) (Holland) (flac)
http://radiosputnik.nl:8002/flac
Pop - Hi On Line - mixed genre (Holland) (flac)
http://mscp2.live-streams.nl:8100/flac.flac
Thank you
Hello, to me, however, apart from everything it seems absurd, we have been waiting for these Metadata for a long time and listening to songs especially of American jazz without knowing who the artist is is deplorable and takes away the pleasure of listening. I’m sorry but I don’t want to create problems with alternative and tiring methods. I wait for Naim to do his duty. Thanks and urgently. Hello.
Currently Naim supply 4 lots of streams on the 3 radio channels, so 12 streams in total.
On mp3(128 & 320k) and acc(320k mpeg4) we supply metadata. On the Flac streams we currently don’t as the backend playback system we use currently doesn’t support it and for a good reason.
Ogg/flac with shoutcast meta is a very fringe ‘standard’ as although its a generic rule to apply to any stream it is only gained acceptance in very limited hifi circles.
Ogg/flac but with multiple streams chained together more hits official standards… but most streamers out there will not handle it and will play 1 track then stop. Systems like Roon suffer from this limitation.
So at the moment we are trying to get a commitment from our provider to see if they will support either meta format. In practice they do a very good playback engine and I would prefer high quality audio and have wide support on many systems, vs compromised audio + metadata but limited compatibility.
Best regards
Steve Harris
Software Director
Naim Audio Ltd.
FWIW I remember when Radio Paradise first released their .flacm streams (with metadata) and they issued a warning that they might be unreliable, and to use the regular .flac stream if this was the case. I added the .flacm streams to vTuner, and after a a few weeks of erratic metadata at first, they were completely reliable. Since your launch of HiDef stations, they have continued to work reliably and to show Now Playing info properly, so I guess that proves that it can be done.
@anon35986639 in the meantime have you tried Shazam?