PMC 25.2x Actives vs Passives

My PMC fact 8 tweeter had a few high level screeches then gave up - that was a while ago.

My ATC’s were sounding good one day and then not the next, it was un obviously obvious. Serendipity saved the day as I had arranged Tony Basically Sound to demo some stand mounts as I was unsatisfied with the sound of my system…. Didn’t realise my ATC’s were broken and assumed it was just room nodes…

Tony boxed them up and took they back to his and confirmed yesterday there was a driver issue - sound was congested and lacking in detail. Tony said it became obvious when he played them against his demo pair….

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Tony left me with the ATC SCM20’s and a NC 250. Sounding very good I have to say and they look lovely in walnut - great service as always from Basically Sound.

As good as they sound I have concluded I prefer the active sound, just something about it that makes the music really engaging to listen to.

Will pause thoughts on stand mounts and get into the 20’s & 50 actives.

Gary

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Hi @Farthings-cat
Sorry to hear about your ATC40s. Got to say though, those speakers look absolutely lovely in walnut. They suit your room and the rest of the set up very nicely. Always loved Cathedral Song from Ancient Heart.

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Getting rid of my power amp and lowering my rack brings a number of benefits. So, I have started on this journey with a pair of passive Twenty5 24i speakers.

What cables/connectors are involved if I wish to connect my 252/SC to the active modules?

I have asked this question directly to PMC, but 3 days on, no reply.

@Thegreatroberto That’s not like PMC. I’ve had very quick responses to all my queries. You’ll need a pair of RCA interconnects of appropriate length.

G

Thanks. Yeah, after 3 days I though I’d try the forum. Hopefully I’m not the only one with OC wanting to hook up to the active modules.

Sounds like ill need to make up a pair of leads with RCA one end and 4 pin din the other?

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@ratrat is your go to on this.

G

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Probably the best thing is two Din to XLR cables wired as pseudo balanced. How you do it I’ve no idea but I believe it’s the best way, and I discussed this with ATC once. Or ditch the 252/SC and go modern with a 332. Then you can use fully balanced leads.

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Exactly

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This might be helpful for you…

I!m now a bit confused. So for me it will be Supercap to PMC active.

Clearly it’s 4 pin din at the SC end, one for each channel. But is it signal and ground to RCA single ended or signal and ground to XLR ( but not balanced as it only has signal rather than negative signal as well), at the PMC end???

If you type “Canford Audio” as a search query on this forum, you should see comments relating to the RDL unbalanced to balanced transformers that I use between my Olive Supercap and my SCM40A’s.

I got Designacable to supply me with a DIN to 2 Phono cable (l/r) to then go to each RDL box. This does provide a fully-balanced XLR-XLR signal, enabling one to use the XLR cable of choice, in extended runs if necessary.

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Sure, can see how this can be confusing.
TBH, think I was too, until did some reading and research, to figure out the differences.

So, there is (1) balanced (2) unbalanced (2) pseudo balanced.
Rather than attempt a detailed explanation here, maybe just do some research online.
Lots of wiring diagrams out there, explaining how this works for DIN to RCA Phono or DIN to XLR, etc, etc.

As the PMC Twenty “Active Upgrade Kit” has both RCA phono and XLR inputs, you have a choice. As an aside, ATC speakers only have XLR inputs.

When the active PMC’s first come into our house, last year 2024, we used 4DIN ( Naim psu ) to RCA phono ( PMC active upgrade kit ). Our dealer @basicallysound supplied this custom speaker cable, maybe 5m. However, as we are now also considering bringing ATC speakers into the house too, so we have just recently swopped to 4DIN ( Naim psu ) to XLR ( for both PMC or ATC ) - maybe 6.5m, just to allow for this option. Works fine with our system ( NAC282 + SCDR → PMC 20.23i active ). I was a little sceptical that longer cable lengths ( for pseudo balanced ) may lead to issues with “noise”. But happy to report - in our house - our system - we are using 6.5 or 7m long cable 4DIN to XLR and it is as clean as a whistle, no problem.

One last comment - another option for Naim OC systems - is the solution suggested above, last post. To convert into balanced with the use of transformers, etc. (Personally, wish to avoid this extra clutter, but has advantage of allowing any length of speaker cable you like, no risk of “noise”, etc).
Finally, moving over to Naim NC - such as NSC222 or NAC332 - allows fully balanced, with XLR, as balanced audio line was intended to be.
(Note : Only adding these extra notes, for completeness, in case this post is read by others interested)

Hope that helps on this topic ?

Good luck
R

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Thanks, your explanation makes sense.

My driver is to remove my power amp from the rack. Going active is an option and likely cheapest.

The 4 pin din to RCA I already do, as my power amp is non naim. My cable runs are 2M and just over 4M, so not excessive. Decent RCA cables are a possibility.

The single ended to balanced transformers sound intresting. Will need to see any impact on sound quality, plus cost.

Ill also give my dealer the problem if I go active. They are both naim and Pmc dealers.

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Sound like a great plan …
An interesting side topic - for this type of speaker cable - is they don’t have to cost " an arm and a leg".

BW
R

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Do let us all know how you get on ?
Active presentation is noticeably different ( compared ).

FWIW, at the time, compared the active PMC’s ( also ATC’s too ) with same NAIM system and same passive speakers - passive PMC and ATC speaker alternatives - with Naim NC250 instead. Both system progressions have merit, but we preferred the Active option / Active presentation.

Good luck
R

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Im Just at the start of this ( potentially) active journey. It is still 10 days before I pick up the Twenty5 24i speakers and then run them passive. But, i can see the active option having a number of benefits, just need to go in with both eyes open and know how to go from supercap to PMC- which i understand now. Just need to look at costs etc.

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Sorry to Labour this, but re reading it and you now use 4 pin din to xlr cables from 282 ( SC or HiCap) direct to PMCs?

I can see these cables can be bought made up via Design-a-cable, so that looks a simple solution.

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Again, exactly :+1:
That’s an option

It looks too simple!

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I’m still waiting for an answer from PMC. I chased them up yesterday but maybe their “ how do I connect X to my active PMC module “ person is away?

I will of course feed back what PMC say.

Ill also ask my dealer, not least as they will be supplying the active modules at some point.

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